Trade your Pantera for my Ferrari?

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I'm new to this forum,

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I have a very small (20 cars) collection

You're a lucky man. Most of us here would consider that to be a large collection.

Good luck on your search.

Larry

Sell the F355, buy a Pantera, this is way easier.

A Pantera against a F355, NEVER?

Sorry to say that, but if it would be a Testarossa, you may find someone. But for a F355... puuu. A pantera is a bad ass Ferrari and a F355 is a soft boiled Ferrari. Is kind of the opposit of a Pantera.

Just the portfolio of the F355 does not fit a Pantera owner.

Not a bad car either, but not the one a true Pantera owner would switch to.

Maybe you have something else in your collection more interesting.

Gilles 027:

While I appreciate you offering your opinion, it is pretty clear you have never driven a F355. "Soft-boiled" it is not, and it is lighter, quicker and more nimble than the Testarossa. No, it is not a Pantera. Yes, it is completely different. That doesn't mean either car is bad. They were just created to appeal to two very different markets. The best way I can describe the difference in the two cars is the Pantera is a broadax, while the F355 is a scalpel; the Pantera is an American muscle car in a beautiful Italian suit, while the Ferrari is the epitome of pure Italian form and function. The experience of driving the F355 is unlike that of any other car I have known. The scream of its F1-inspired flat-plane 8-cylinder engine at 8500 rpm will give you goose bumps, and carving out corners flatter than anything else on the road is sure to peg your fun meter. As you might gather, it is without question my favorite car, and that's not likely to change any time soon. However, that still doesn't change my desire to acquire the right Pantera, or diminish my appreciation of its attributes or the enjoyment I am certain it will provide. Thank God there is room in this world for more than one kind of car....."Viva la Differenza!"

Both cars have there own personalities & one will surely not be confused with the other.

This bit of unnecessary hyperbole & gross exaggeration could/should have been omitted from your comments...

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and carving out corners flatter than anything else on the road is sure to peg your fun meter

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Originally posted by gilles027:
Sell the F355, buy a Pantera, this is way easier.

A Pantera against a F355, NEVER?

Sorry to say that, but if it would be a Testarossa, you may find someone. But for a F355... puuu. A pantera is a bad ass Ferrari and a F355 is a soft boiled Ferrari. Is kind of the opposit of a Pantera.

Just the portfolio of the F355 does not fit a Pantera owner.

Not a bad car either, but not the one a true Pantera owner would switch to.

Maybe you have something else in your collection more interesting.

Your comments are certainly appreciated to represent the broad group we have on this board with one large common denominator: Pantera passion.

Yet in speaking for the seller (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) I didn't feel he thought they were the same or one goes "in place of the other". Yet he only meant to see if anyone would trade, just as I've traded guns for coins, realizing they're quite different.

Personally, I sold my Pantera outright, and there's nothing that would exactly fill those Campagnolos, but I could find equivalent joy in many other cars, perhaps an F355 even. So the seller was just offering options.

And btw, an F355 posted faster around Fiorano than the Testarossa, so not as soft as mentioned. (A 348 probably didn't fare that well, but I never followed those for many reasons.)

Anyway, thanks to the OP for offering an interesting car and hope you find a good home for it AND that you make a good home for your future Pantera.

A Hudson,

Thanks for your perspective of my post. As you correctly noted, I did not in any way mean to say they were the same car, quite the opposite in fact. That is one of my reasons for seeking a Pantera.....it fills a niche that is open in my collection of cars. My feelings about the Pantera is that it is a unique car with a history all its own; it is not a "bad-ass Ferrari". However, Ferraris are also unique cars with their own enthusiastic following. By the way, I am also an enthusiastic owner who believes in driving my cars, not just looking at them on display, which I sense may also be the case with most Pantera owners. I look forward to belonging to both groups some time soon.

If you believe in driving your cars, then please join other Pantera's at the Silver State Classic Challenge this Sept.. We need more company.

Team Pantera Racing

Mark

Where? I am assuming Nevada ("Silver State"). If I have my Pantera by then, I will certainly consider attending!

[Quote] By the way, I am also an enthusiastic owner who believes in driving my cars, not just looking at them on display, which I sense may be the case with most Pantera owners.[End of Quote]

I believe as a collective group, DeTomaso Pantera owners are MORE into driving than "Polishing & Posing"...

Don't believe your above quote helps you garner favour with Pantera owners.

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By the way, I am also an enthusiastic owner who believes in driving my cars, not just looking at them on display, which I sense may be the case with most Pantera owners. I look forward to belonging to both groups some time soon.

I am sure he means that Pantera owners like to drive their cars, as he does.....

That's how I read it, anyway....


Rocky

Speedunlimited, what is your actual name?

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Speedunlimited, what is your actual name?

Why do you ask, JTpantera?

Larry

SSCC starts in Ely, Nevada.
Entry info: http://www.sscc.us/entry_forms.aspx

Let the fun begin.

Mark

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Originally posted by speedunlimited:
[Quote] By the way, I am also an enthusiastic owner who believes in driving my cars, not just looking at them on display, which I sense may be the case with most Pantera owners.[End of Quote]

I believe as a collective group, DeTomaso Pantera owners are MORE into driving than "Polishing & Posing"...

Don't believe your above quote helps you garner favour with Pantera owners.

Just to clarify, I did mean that I assume most Pantera owners love to drive their cars, (sorry I didn't make that clear).....after all, what's not to love? Unfortunately, that's not always a choice available to some Ferrari owners due to the collector market value of many of the rarer Ferraris. A shame really, because the experience of driving a car like a Ferrari or Pantera is what owning them is all about, in my view.

Too rare and valuable to race?

It all comes down to the the size of one's balls, and wallet.

Larry

250TR at 2009 Monterey Historics

Or maybe this F399 at the 2004 Monterey historic is a more interesting visual?

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Originally posted by LF - TP 2511:
Too rare and valuable to race?

It all comes down to the the size of one's balls, and wallet.

Larry

250TR at 2009 Monterey Historics

Hello Larry; You are such a TEASE!!!...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv4gbEBC-FE

Notice the yellow car at 11 seconds of the video is missing a driver's front fender from an earlier crash.

Easily a BILLION DOLLARS PLUS worth of cars on that track!!!

I know there are exceptions to the rule, of course, but there are many Ferraris that are no longer driven. I'm not sure that I would take a chance on crashing a $32,000,000 car, which is what one Ferrari recently sold for. Still, driving your favorite car is the best.....

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Originally posted by tcbquattroporte:
I know there are exceptions to the rule, of course, but there are many Ferraris that are no longer driven. I'm not sure that I would take a chance on crashing a $32,000,000 car, which is what one Ferrari recently sold for. Still, driving your favorite car is the best.....

Ferraris get a wee bit MORE expensive than $32,000,000.00...

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/0...llion-monterey-2014/

very nice Ferrari ….good luck with finding the right Pantera for you.

out of curiosity- what else do you have in your garage?

I have another Ferrari (a F355 Spider, photo below), a Lotus Esprit Turbo, Maserati Quattroporte, Corvette ZR1, Greenwood Corvette, Jaguar XJL Portfolio, Jaguar XJR, Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas, Jaguar XJ V8 (Corvette drivetrain), Trans Am Pace Car, SS396 El Camino and several other cars. Not really a collection, just a lot of cars that I love and have accumulated over the years. I have a 12,000 s.f. well-equipped shop where I keep most of them and do my own work on the cars, as well as other endeavors. I think a Pantera would be a great addition, don't you?

Lotus Esprit Turbo

Maserati Quattroporte

SS396 El Camino

Is the Greenwood Corvette a C3 or C4?...Thanks!

The Greenwood Corvette is a C4, black and tan like many of my other cars (don't know how that happened). The ZR1 is yellow/black (1991). Sorry I don't have more photos.....these were made with my phone. I have promised myself that one of these days I'll take some good pictures with a decent camera, but till then.....

a Pantera is a great addition….period.

i think it likely a totally different experience from what you're getting with the other cars that you have…all very nice btw... which is probably why you want one.

i havent driven mine in a few weeks due to the weather…but its going to be 60 and clear tomorrow.

i just got goosebumps.

cheers

Great looking 355.

The big dividers among these cars seems to be a) manual or F1 b) header mods done c) Belt service done or needed d) sticky bits corrected.

To my ear, you have the very best F car exhaust note ever, 12's included. I always liked the 355, but jumped over that model for some reason. Would love to hear more about the car and your experience with it.

Have had 9 Panteras over many years plus a few others if you wanted to call and speak of how they compare, what to expect, all that. This forum is unbelievably well equipped in that area too. It doubled the value of ownership!

BTW, a '20 car collection' exceeds my definition of small!

I am very familiar with the "dividers" among Ferrari 355's that prospective buyers look for, as you mention. My 355 Berlinetta is a 6-speed manual (highly sought), has a "Tubi" stainless steel performance exhaust, belt service was done 3,800 miles ago (15,000 miles recommended interval), and all "sticky" bits have been corrected. This is a very clean, well kept car in excellent condition, but it is not a trailer queen. It is indisputably one of the most beautifully designed cars ever to come out of Maranello but, like the Pantera, these cars need to be driven, and driven often. Driving a Ferrari F355 is an experience unlike any other; the driver's connection to the road is surgically precise while satisfyingly visceral, but also civilized enough for longer cruises. Combine that with the rush of being behind the wheel at 8,500 rpm and reveling in the intoxicating sounds the F1 racing-inspired flat plane V8 makes, and you just may have the next best thing since sex was invented.

This is a great driver's car and I am only trading/selling it because I have another F355 (Spider) and need to make room for a Pantera. I have more photos, maintenance records, a clean Carfax report and a complete description available on request. Call me or shoot me an email for more information.

I have not been able to figure out how to post more than one photo of my car per post yet.....sorry. Also, if you are wondering about my forum name, "tcbquattroporte", I guess I should explain that I started using this forum name some time ago when I joined a Maserati Forum (I had a Maserati Quattroporte). As I have joined other forums, primarily for learning more about each car and joining in with a community whose passion is their cars, I just used the same forum name because I find it difficult in this digital age to keep up with a different name, password, etc., etc. for every group I join. I am excited to become a part of this forum, as the Pantera was one of the very first "exotic" cars that I fell in love with as a young man. I hope now to be able to join your ranks as a Pantera owner very soon.

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I have not been able to figure out how to post more than one photo of my car per post yet.....sorry.

You can't "attach" multiple photos to a single post. However, you can "include" multiple photos if they're posted in another online photo album somewhere - then you use the picture icon at the top of this window to include the image link.

By the way, beautiful car! One of my favorites.

Thanks for the tip on the photos. I don't have any posted elsewhere on line, but I guess I could use something like Dropbox or similar and then use the link button?

Here is a photo of the interior. I use the mats in the photo when I drive; I have a new set of custom made black/tan logo mats that would be included with the car. The carpets have been steam cleaned since the photo and look great. The "discoloration" on the seat is simply a result of the sun coming through the tinted window. The seat leather is actually very nice with no discoloration. The darker tan folder on the rear of the center console is the leather-bound OEM owner's manual.

Stunning car! But sadly I only have one Pantera that I'm not willing to trade.....

Good luck finding your dream Pantera, they're a thing of raw beauty and would sit very well in your "small" collection of esteemed cars. No hint of collection jealousy here at all... honest

Another shot

What are you asking as a cash price for this car? I'm interested

$69,000 OBO

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