I have a hall pantera oil pan and the stock (?) dipstick. It reads full with only 5 quarts of oil. Is there a special dipstick I should use with this pan? the dipstick measures 38.5 inches.
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I may be mistaken but you probably have an Aviaid pan? I looked on the Hall web page and don't see a pan offered in the on line catalog.
In any case, I do, and it is a 9qt pan, and with my system with dual remote filters and oil cooler, I take 12 quarts.
It uses the original stock Pantera dip stick.
The dipstick is just reading the depth of oil in the pan. With the Aviad pan, the sump of the pan is maximized and about doubled. It is stock depth.
When I read a quart low on my stick, it is actually about 2 quarts low because of this.
Hope this helps and doesn't confuse you?
In any case, I do, and it is a 9qt pan, and with my system with dual remote filters and oil cooler, I take 12 quarts.
It uses the original stock Pantera dip stick.
The dipstick is just reading the depth of oil in the pan. With the Aviad pan, the sump of the pan is maximized and about doubled. It is stock depth.
When I read a quart low on my stick, it is actually about 2 quarts low because of this.
Hope this helps and doesn't confuse you?
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thanks Doug, has answered my unasked question.
I have hte Aviad and was wondering about the dipstick.
cheers
cj
I have hte Aviad and was wondering about the dipstick.
cheers
cj
quote:Originally posted by fordgt:
I have a hall pantera and the stock (?) dipstick. It reads full with only 5 quarts of oil. Is there a special dipstick I should use with this pan? the dipstick measures 38.5 inches.
Something isn't quite right, the dipstick only really sets oil level below the crank for windage, the oil pan will dictate volume.
Sounds like you do not have a true 9qt (Aviaid or Armando) pan, perhaps Hall was selling his own? I had one that was a 9 qt pan, but without baffles like the Aviaid/Armando so it held more volume, but I could still lose oil pressure in hard corners on the track, just shows how little G force can get the oil to climb the pan walls.
The stock dipstick should be 38 inches from tip to the bottom of the handle cup that seals on the tube. Equally the tube should be 25 inches from the ridge that seals in the block to the open end. Either one might be wrong if your oil pan is a 9 qt.
Julian
Keep in mind that if your oil level indication on the dip stick says full, it doesn't mean it is only five quarts.
It indicates the oil level in the pan that you have is full, which is either 9 or 10 quarts depending on who's pan it is.
Aviaid and Armondo pans are the same. Armondo worked for Aviaid and went out on his own and builds for himself what he built for Aviaid.
They are the same pans.
Hopefully this may just be misinterpretation of what the stick is indicating by you maybe?
It indicates the oil level in the pan that you have is full, which is either 9 or 10 quarts depending on who's pan it is.
Aviaid and Armondo pans are the same. Armondo worked for Aviaid and went out on his own and builds for himself what he built for Aviaid.
They are the same pans.
Hopefully this may just be misinterpretation of what the stick is indicating by you maybe?
Gary
my apologies for not having caught the major hy-jacking of your thread sooner.
-G
my apologies for not having caught the major hy-jacking of your thread sooner.
-G
I wonder if I have the same pan or some custom jobbie from Hall years ago? I am about to change the oil in my red 5S, and just figured it is a 10 quart (which really takes 9 quart?). I have the same issue, trying to determine level it should be on the stick. If this pan shown below is supposed to take 9 quart, then I figure I just change the filter, add 9 quart, and then mark the stick after running it...eh?
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The Aviaid(and Armondo) is a 9 qt. Pan. + 1/2 qt for the filter.
The Aviaid has ridges in it. Oil temp bung is lower. tank splice is further back. Your's looks a bit different? Not Aviaid.
I wouldn't put it past Gary to have had someone make up copies.
Why would he have a unique dipstick though? No one else does?
Fill the filter with oil and let it sit while you fill the pan. Put 8 qts in and check the stick.
Put the filter on and let it run a minute or so. Let it sit 5 minutes. Come back and check the stick. fill it till the stick says full.
Note how much oil it took.
The Aviaid has ridges in it. Oil temp bung is lower. tank splice is further back. Your's looks a bit different? Not Aviaid.
I wouldn't put it past Gary to have had someone make up copies.
Why would he have a unique dipstick though? No one else does?
Fill the filter with oil and let it sit while you fill the pan. Put 8 qts in and check the stick.
Put the filter on and let it run a minute or so. Let it sit 5 minutes. Come back and check the stick. fill it till the stick says full.
Note how much oil it took.
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quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
The Aviaid(and Armondo) is a 9 qt. Pan. + 1/2 qt for the filter.
The Aviaid has ridges in it. Oil temp bung is lower. tank splice is further back. Your's looks a bit different? Not Aviaid.
I wouldn't put it past Gary to have had someone make up copies.
Why would he have a unique dipstick though? No one else does?
Fill the filter with oil and let it sit while you fill the pan. Put 8 qts in and check the stick.
Put the filter on and let it run a minute or so. Let it sit 5 minutes. Come back and check the stick. fill it till the stick says full.
Note how much oil it took.
Who knows what Gary or others may have done with tube and stick combos on the Fontana block. Plus Gary didn't build the engine, but I believe that is his pan. Each of my Panteras has a different stick length.
A Fontana block? Geeze I'm sorry. I didn't know? 
...actually, that makes no sense at all. There is no mark in the stock oil pan to indicate the proper level. The ONLY standardization would be the dipstick.
Scientifically therefore, the only way I could concieve of obtaining that mark would be to install a stock Ford dipstick and tube, mark on a common point externally where that full, one low, etc, is, then install the Pantera dipstick and tube and line them up.
The adjustment could be done one of two ways, 1) adjust the length of the dipstick to coinside with those marks or 2)and I like this better, use a "stock Pantera dipstick and adjust the length of the tube to coincide.
Over at Hall Pantera, there is no one left who would know what Gary did, or had done with these things.
The four that I can think of would be Gary, the Byers brothers, or Mike Cook. Good luck with any of them. They are all as forthcoming as Gary is now with information on this.
Maybe Dennis Quella would know what's going on with the dipsticks but I wouldn't count on it and frankly in the 25 years I've had the car he would never talk to me on the phone. I would always have to leave the message with the girl, who would never call back, and if I was lucky in a week, she would have gotten an answer from Dennis.
Ditto with Steve Wilkinson. He wants nothing to do with whatever someone else has done to these cars and has had nothing good to say about any of it. That's where he does show his nasty streak on the phone.
In fact, if there are any of them that act like the guard in the Wizard of Oz, it is Wilkinson. Don't count on getting in to see the Wizard...even with the broomstick of the Wicked Witch!
Unfortunately on any modification on these cars, YOU have to document the changes AND be the authority on them too. I hope YOUR journey is a pleasurable one?
Like I said, this is just my 25 years plus experiences with the lot. Gary was by far the easiest to deal with.
He's the one I spent the $35,000 with. The others could care less?
Your mileage may vary?
...actually, that makes no sense at all. There is no mark in the stock oil pan to indicate the proper level. The ONLY standardization would be the dipstick.
Scientifically therefore, the only way I could concieve of obtaining that mark would be to install a stock Ford dipstick and tube, mark on a common point externally where that full, one low, etc, is, then install the Pantera dipstick and tube and line them up.
The adjustment could be done one of two ways, 1) adjust the length of the dipstick to coinside with those marks or 2)and I like this better, use a "stock Pantera dipstick and adjust the length of the tube to coincide.
Over at Hall Pantera, there is no one left who would know what Gary did, or had done with these things.
The four that I can think of would be Gary, the Byers brothers, or Mike Cook. Good luck with any of them. They are all as forthcoming as Gary is now with information on this.
Maybe Dennis Quella would know what's going on with the dipsticks but I wouldn't count on it and frankly in the 25 years I've had the car he would never talk to me on the phone. I would always have to leave the message with the girl, who would never call back, and if I was lucky in a week, she would have gotten an answer from Dennis.
Ditto with Steve Wilkinson. He wants nothing to do with whatever someone else has done to these cars and has had nothing good to say about any of it. That's where he does show his nasty streak on the phone.
In fact, if there are any of them that act like the guard in the Wizard of Oz, it is Wilkinson. Don't count on getting in to see the Wizard...even with the broomstick of the Wicked Witch!
Unfortunately on any modification on these cars, YOU have to document the changes AND be the authority on them too. I hope YOUR journey is a pleasurable one?
Like I said, this is just my 25 years plus experiences with the lot. Gary was by far the easiest to deal with.
He's the one I spent the $35,000 with. The others could care less?
Your mileage may vary?
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
A Fontana block? Geeze I'm sorry. I didn't know?
...actually, that makes no sense at all. There is no mark in the stock oil pan to indicate the proper level. The ONLY standardization would be the dipstick.
Scientifically therefore, the only way I could concieve of obtaining that mark would be to install a stock Ford dipstick and tube, mark on a common point externally where that full, one low, etc, is, then install the Pantera dipstick and tube and line them up.
The adjustment could be done one of two ways, 1) adjust the length of the dipstick to coinside with those marks or 2)and I like this better, use a "stock Pantera dipstick and adjust the length of the tube to coincide.
Over at Hall Pantera, there is no one left who would know what Gary did, or had done with these things.
The four that I can think of would be Gary, the Byers brothers, or Mike Cook. Good luck with any of them. They are all as forthcoming as Gary is now with information on this.
Maybe Dennis Quella would know what's going on with the dipsticks but I wouldn't count on it and frankly in the 25 years I've had the car he would never talk to me on the phone. I would always have to leave the message with the girl, who would never call back, and if I was lucky in a week, she would have gotten an answer from Dennis.
Ditto with Steve Wilkinson. He wants nothing to do with whatever someone else has done to these cars and has had nothing good to say about any of it. That's where he does show his nasty streak on the phone.
In fact, if there are any of them that act like the guard in the Wizard of Oz, it is Wilkinson. Don't count on getting in to see the Wizard...even with the broomstick of the Wicked Witch!
Unfortunately on any modification on these cars, YOU have to document the changes AND be the authority on them too. I hope YOUR journey is a pleasurable one?
Like I said, this is just my 25 years plus experiences with the lot. Gary was by far the easiest to deal with.
He's the one I spent the $35,000 with. The others could care less?
Your mileage may vary?
Thanks bro! I agree, some people are better than others out there. I looked back at all the receipts on the car and saw 5qt oil changes, then 10qt changes later, so I figure this was after the Fontana block install & new pan. This seems about right since that pan visually looks pretty big to me. So I did 9qt for the 10qt pan and noted the level on the stick. Byars had a piece of this car for a while after Fat Jack & Joe Fontana, and Byars said 9qt is right after checking with them. I have always been doing 9qt in the past, but this time was just questioning it like the other dude that started this post. I checked with Hall too regarding sticks, and all they do now is make their own based on roto rooter snake coil welded to ford stick, so I would suppose lengths vary. I know mine is pretty long...that's what she said
Do you tell everyone how long it is?