What does a basic refreshening for a ZF cost? If a synchro is needed, what does it add to the cost? What actually does a basic refreshening entail? Thanks.
Michael
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Cybo, I had mine out when I broke a stud off in it. I called and spoke to Roy himself, very nice guy who said he would open it up and go through it for 12 to 15 hundred, plus parts. I think you would be lucky to get a syc installed for 2 g. I could use a third gear syc myself.
Thanks, lpb.
I've already started the fattening proccess of my piggy bank!
Michael
I've already started the fattening proccess of my piggy bank!
Michael
Michael,
Depends on what your going to do and what's needed once inside.
I just replaced 1st & 2nd gear synchro's with undersized bronze one's. Replaced 3rd, 4th & 5th with normal size bronze one's. They were $150.00 each, = 750.00. You can also add about 30.00 for ring gear bolts and saftey wire, another 130.00 for a gasket and seal kit. If you do the Friction disc's, that's 90.00 for both, and then there's the 4 ear plates, that's another 26.00 for both. ( I didn't need them but cracked open the differenial to make sure)
Then last but not least, gear oil, I used Royal Purple, 4.5 quarts used at 9.00 a quart.
I just did mine for a cost right at $1000.00 by the time it was all said and done. I did it myself with guidence and help from a few so I didn't have the labor cost involved since I turn my own wrenches 99% of the time. The learning was well worth the effort & time it took.
Mine is shifting fine now.
If there is to much coning on a gear cluster, a synchro is not going to fix the problem. Then your talking 800.00 for each entire gear cluster that has a problem to fix the problem. If it's a ring and pinion, anywhere from 1200.00 used to 3000.00 new. Then there's various bearing's.....The list goes on and on brother.....
Just depends on what you find once inside......You just never know until you get there.
Depends on what your going to do and what's needed once inside.
I just replaced 1st & 2nd gear synchro's with undersized bronze one's. Replaced 3rd, 4th & 5th with normal size bronze one's. They were $150.00 each, = 750.00. You can also add about 30.00 for ring gear bolts and saftey wire, another 130.00 for a gasket and seal kit. If you do the Friction disc's, that's 90.00 for both, and then there's the 4 ear plates, that's another 26.00 for both. ( I didn't need them but cracked open the differenial to make sure)
Then last but not least, gear oil, I used Royal Purple, 4.5 quarts used at 9.00 a quart.
I just did mine for a cost right at $1000.00 by the time it was all said and done. I did it myself with guidence and help from a few so I didn't have the labor cost involved since I turn my own wrenches 99% of the time. The learning was well worth the effort & time it took.
Mine is shifting fine now.
If there is to much coning on a gear cluster, a synchro is not going to fix the problem. Then your talking 800.00 for each entire gear cluster that has a problem to fix the problem. If it's a ring and pinion, anywhere from 1200.00 used to 3000.00 new. Then there's various bearing's.....The list goes on and on brother.....
Just depends on what you find once inside......You just never know until you get there.
quote:Originally posted by Cyboman:
Thanks, lpb.
I've already started the fattening proccess of my piggy bank!
Michael
I was having 2nd gear grinding problems. I did the pull and re-install myself. 2nd gear cluster and all syncros were replaced along with a box full of small parts, shafts, bearings and seals. Case was bead blasted. Ring gear was safety wired. Final cost was $4500. About a thousand more than I was expecting.
Another thing I wasn't expecting is the 8 months it took to do it. After 6 months, I showed up unannounced to take it back and ship it elsewhere. After assurances that they'd get right on it, it only took two more months to get it back.
I won't tell you who this was, but I will tell you it was NOT RBT. If I had it to do over again, I would ship it to RBT in the first place.
I put in a new clutch, shift rod, tri-union bearing, and long throw slave cylinder. About another $650 worth. Shifts like it should now.
Wish I lived closer to my friend COZ!!
Mooso.
Another thing I wasn't expecting is the 8 months it took to do it. After 6 months, I showed up unannounced to take it back and ship it elsewhere. After assurances that they'd get right on it, it only took two more months to get it back.
I won't tell you who this was, but I will tell you it was NOT RBT. If I had it to do over again, I would ship it to RBT in the first place.
I put in a new clutch, shift rod, tri-union bearing, and long throw slave cylinder. About another $650 worth. Shifts like it should now.
Wish I lived closer to my friend COZ!!
Mooso.
Thanks for the input guys. I'm scared.
Michael
Michael
Cyboman,
I had Lloyd do my trans last year. A couple synchros, bearings for the diff. (the car was driven 5 times in 15 yrs. the original bearings had seated themselves into the races)gasket set, safety wire. Basically cleaned it up. One month down time and $2400. As I left the shop he said "Your good for another 30 yrs". The trans works great. It shifts very postive, but I think my linkage / trunion bearing might need some fine adjustment.
I had Lloyd do my trans last year. A couple synchros, bearings for the diff. (the car was driven 5 times in 15 yrs. the original bearings had seated themselves into the races)gasket set, safety wire. Basically cleaned it up. One month down time and $2400. As I left the shop he said "Your good for another 30 yrs". The trans works great. It shifts very postive, but I think my linkage / trunion bearing might need some fine adjustment.
Mooso,
I know what you mean brother.
You just never know until you open it up.
Which is why I did mine myself and didn't send it to anyone. First, wanted to learn the only thing I hadn't been into.... and Second, wanted it done in somewhat a timly manner.
And then there's the money I saved by doing it myself....
BTW, wish we lived closer to each other as well !
I know what you mean brother.
You just never know until you open it up.
Which is why I did mine myself and didn't send it to anyone. First, wanted to learn the only thing I hadn't been into.... and Second, wanted it done in somewhat a timly manner.
And then there's the money I saved by doing it myself....
BTW, wish we lived closer to each other as well !
Nothing to be scared of Michael, it's only money...Heck, if I had your money, I'd throw mine away.....
quote:Originally posted by Cyboman:
Thanks for the input guys. I'm scared.
Michael
That sounds about right for what you had done with steel synchro's and labor.
quote:Originally posted by Dougo:
Cyboman,
I had Lloyd do my trans last year. A couple synchros, bearings for the diff. (the car was driven 5 times in 15 yrs. the original bearings had seated themselves into the races)gasket set, safety wire. Basically cleaned it up. One month down time and $2400. As I left the shop he said "Your good for another 30 yrs". The trans works great. It shifts very postive, but I think my linkage / trunion bearing might need some fine adjustment.
quote:Originally posted by Dougo:
(the car was driven 5 times in 15 yrs. the original bearings had seated themselves into the races)gasket set, safety wire. Basically cleaned it up. One month down time and $2400.
Excellent input Dougo!! And enough reason for me to DRIVE my Pantera!!
Michael - Does your GT5S use a dash-2 ZF? Is it the same as the earlier models?
Kevin
I hear ya, Jim. I have no one over here to walk through it with me. That's never stopped me before, and may not this time, but this isn't just any manual trans. The ZF is a very expensive box to be blindly learning on!
It would be nice to live closer. I like to get out and help others with their Panteras as well as work on my own. The nearest Pantera 'enthusiast' to me is hours away!
Michael
It would be nice to live closer. I like to get out and help others with their Panteras as well as work on my own. The nearest Pantera 'enthusiast' to me is hours away!
Michael
quote:Originally posted by Coz:
...Heck, if I had your money, I'd throw mine away.....
I'm afraid Coz that would make you broke, and dumb!
(Just a joke, you know you're the best Coz!)
Michael
Wish we were closer Michael. We could do it together. It really isn't brain surgery as some people seem to think it is. It's only a gearbox, and as I've just learned, absolutely nothing to be affraid of.
quote:Originally posted by Cyboman:
I hear ya, Jim. I have no one over here to walk through it with me. That's never stopped me before, and may not this time, but this isn't just any manual trans. The ZF is a very expensive box to be blindly learning on!
It would be nice to live closer. I like to get out and help others with their Panteras as well as work on my own. The nearest Pantera 'enthusiast' to me is hours away!
Michael
Kevin,
It's a dash-2 ZF.
Some of the last GT5-S's and Si's came with the M-1 ZF box.
Michael
It's a dash-2 ZF.
Some of the last GT5-S's and Si's came with the M-1 ZF box.
Michael
i'm calling you (coz) next year when i pull out my tranny.
I'll be here Dean.
quote:Originally posted by dean:
i'm calling you (coz) next year when i pull out my tranny.
Hey Coz! You sing a different song now that your's is done! As I remember, you were fretting like the rest of us when it was broke! 
BTW, what clutch and flywheel did you use?
BTW, what clutch and flywheel did you use?
Fretting only because of the cost of sending it out and having someone else do it for me. Now that I've done it, no big deal. Any of us can do it if your willing to take your time, learn and pay attention to the details. Like I said, it's not brain surgery.
I used the Mcleod 3 finger pressure plate, disc and alumium flywheel.
Aloha back at ya bro....
Are you coming to Sema in Vegas ?
I used the Mcleod 3 finger pressure plate, disc and alumium flywheel.
Aloha back at ya bro....
Are you coming to Sema in Vegas ?
quote:Originally posted by 4NFORD:
Hey Coz! You sing a different song now that your's is done! As I remember, you were fretting like the rest of us when it was broke!
BTW, what clutch and flywheel did you use?
Coz,
You said you overhauled the ZF yourself. I was considering doing the same thing.
I have the ZF overhaul manual and it calls out for some special tools to do the job. What specific tools did you use?
B. Goyaniuk alias "andriyko"
You said you overhauled the ZF yourself. I was considering doing the same thing.
I have the ZF overhaul manual and it calls out for some special tools to do the job. What specific tools did you use?
B. Goyaniuk alias "andriyko"