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thats a beautiful machine!!!
This car was for sale maybe 18 months ago in London, ON and listed for some time @ $55K. It caught my eye when I first started looking for a P car seriously (i.e. finally had some cash in hand, but sadly still not enough for that one).
I had contact with a guy (can't rememebr his name) on this board who also knew of its pending sale back late last year. I guess it was never seriously advertised until now.
All I can say is it appears to be a very nice and almost original car.
Julian
I had contact with a guy (can't rememebr his name) on this board who also knew of its pending sale back late last year. I guess it was never seriously advertised until now.
All I can say is it appears to be a very nice and almost original car.
Julian
He's selling it to buy a SRT-10 Viper. He will take one in trade if you own one.
The car, #9195, was previously owned by Mario Malizia from London, Ontario. It was for sale on the PI Web site for some time at $59,000 USD. The current owner is Jonathan Mastromattei from Ottawa, Ontario.
Mark Charlton and "Deeb" will both have seen this car in person. If anyone is serious about buying this car, I suggest contacting Mark or "Deeb" and asking if they will give you an opinion.
Recent photos of this car were posted in the Canadian section of the PI BB at:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1550045562/m/3000076224/r/#
From what is possible to determine from the photos I have collected of this car, I would say the condition is pretty good. The wheels appear to have been re-painted since a photo I have of the car from last year was taken. Given the condition of the wheels at that time, I would be asking the owner if they had been properly stress-relieved and powder coated, and not just painted with enamel. Another thing to note is that the car is still running Pirelli P7s which will likely be too old to be safe.
Judging by the serial number, there may be some debate as to whether this is a 1983 or a 1982 model year. Malizia had advertised it as a 1983, and Mastromattei advertises it is a 1982. I believe it has to be a 1982 because I have a record of five 1982 Panteras with a higher chassis number.
At $65,000 USD, it's a pretty low price for an increasingly rare near-stock GT5, in my opinion.
Mark Charlton and "Deeb" will both have seen this car in person. If anyone is serious about buying this car, I suggest contacting Mark or "Deeb" and asking if they will give you an opinion.
Recent photos of this car were posted in the Canadian section of the PI BB at:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1550045562/m/3000076224/r/#
From what is possible to determine from the photos I have collected of this car, I would say the condition is pretty good. The wheels appear to have been re-painted since a photo I have of the car from last year was taken. Given the condition of the wheels at that time, I would be asking the owner if they had been properly stress-relieved and powder coated, and not just painted with enamel. Another thing to note is that the car is still running Pirelli P7s which will likely be too old to be safe.
Judging by the serial number, there may be some debate as to whether this is a 1983 or a 1982 model year. Malizia had advertised it as a 1983, and Mastromattei advertises it is a 1982. I believe it has to be a 1982 because I have a record of five 1982 Panteras with a higher chassis number.
At $65,000 USD, it's a pretty low price for an increasingly rare near-stock GT5, in my opinion.
Thanks You for your comments Peter.
It was a confusing issue about the year of the car. The car is a 1982 but it was registered in 1983. So the ownership shows 1983.
It was a confusing issue about the year of the car. The car is a 1982 but it was registered in 1983. So the ownership shows 1983.
I am looking for cnd cars for sale right now and am just wondering if the asking price on this car is not overly high compared to others just like it?, comparing it to this one for instance,
http://www.panteracars.com/101004Bckr.htm
the cars are the same...no?
http://www.panteracars.com/101004Bckr.htm
the cars are the same...no?
393boss:
I almost purchased this car about a 1.5 years ago. The car has some rust issues in the lower door jam area, and in addition the owner really knows nothing about the previous history other than he purchased it from a person who owned a body shop.
The motor is not stock, and the front bumper needs attention. There are stress cracks on the fenders and the lower facia (where the driving lights are mounted.
When I discussed the purchase, it was priced I believe at $65K.
Hopes this helps in your quest for that ultimate p-car
Wayne
I almost purchased this car about a 1.5 years ago. The car has some rust issues in the lower door jam area, and in addition the owner really knows nothing about the previous history other than he purchased it from a person who owned a body shop.
The motor is not stock, and the front bumper needs attention. There are stress cracks on the fenders and the lower facia (where the driving lights are mounted.
When I discussed the purchase, it was priced I believe at $65K.
Hopes this helps in your quest for that ultimate p-car
Wayne
393Boss,
The white '84 was for sale mid 2005 when I was looking, so I think the ad is likely now out of date. At that same time the Red '83 was for sale in London, ON at $55K, so I think these two cars were comparably priced at that point.
I believe prices have moved upward substantially since then, so I think you likely need to make a comparison to what is available and on the market now.
For example;
PI has a pristine example ’87 GT5 for sale at $80K
PI sold a Yellow GT5 conversion earlier this year that was advertised at $62K
There was a GT5 at John Scotti Automotive, Toronto late last year for CAD$79,500.
So in comparison an 83 GT5 priced at $65K looks a good buy, plus you have the added advantage it is already in Canada and a private sale (No GST?). I think late Canadian cars will always fetch a premium in Canada over similar US cars simply for the ‘no hassle’ factor associated with importation.
If I was looking for a late car I think the GT5-S represents a good buy at the moment, PI has two such vehicles advertised at present;
87 GT5-S at $83K
83 GT5-S conversion at $75K
The latter I saw on display at the POCA Las Vegas track event, when it was $100K, at the reduced price I would consider a steal, providing you have no smog laws to deal with.
Good luck,
Julian
The white '84 was for sale mid 2005 when I was looking, so I think the ad is likely now out of date. At that same time the Red '83 was for sale in London, ON at $55K, so I think these two cars were comparably priced at that point.
I believe prices have moved upward substantially since then, so I think you likely need to make a comparison to what is available and on the market now.
For example;
PI has a pristine example ’87 GT5 for sale at $80K
PI sold a Yellow GT5 conversion earlier this year that was advertised at $62K
There was a GT5 at John Scotti Automotive, Toronto late last year for CAD$79,500.
So in comparison an 83 GT5 priced at $65K looks a good buy, plus you have the added advantage it is already in Canada and a private sale (No GST?). I think late Canadian cars will always fetch a premium in Canada over similar US cars simply for the ‘no hassle’ factor associated with importation.
If I was looking for a late car I think the GT5-S represents a good buy at the moment, PI has two such vehicles advertised at present;
87 GT5-S at $83K
83 GT5-S conversion at $75K
The latter I saw on display at the POCA Las Vegas track event, when it was $100K, at the reduced price I would consider a steal, providing you have no smog laws to deal with.
Good luck,
Julian
393boss:
If you are in the market for a GT5, check out the silver 1982 that is still for sale at John Scotti's in Montreal (not Toronto as stated in the previous post):
http://www.johnscotti.com/pages/main_exotics.html
"Deeb", who lives in Montreal, and who participates on this site, has seen the car and may be willing to provide you with his opinion.
If you want more photos of the car than are available on the Scotti web site, I can send you some. I spoke with the salesman who told me it has a fresh engine, and the paint is recent too. I don't recall exactly what the price was that he quoted me, but I do recall thinking it was very reasonable for an increasingly rare good condition, stock GT5 with a newly rebuilt motor. Since they have had it for a long time now, I would guess they would be willing to negotiate the price down.
This car was one of about 10 that Scotti imported into Canada during the early 1980s, and they are very familiar with it because they have resold it a number of times. This means they can provide you with the car's provenance.
- Peter
If you are in the market for a GT5, check out the silver 1982 that is still for sale at John Scotti's in Montreal (not Toronto as stated in the previous post):
http://www.johnscotti.com/pages/main_exotics.html
"Deeb", who lives in Montreal, and who participates on this site, has seen the car and may be willing to provide you with his opinion.
If you want more photos of the car than are available on the Scotti web site, I can send you some. I spoke with the salesman who told me it has a fresh engine, and the paint is recent too. I don't recall exactly what the price was that he quoted me, but I do recall thinking it was very reasonable for an increasingly rare good condition, stock GT5 with a newly rebuilt motor. Since they have had it for a long time now, I would guess they would be willing to negotiate the price down.
This car was one of about 10 that Scotti imported into Canada during the early 1980s, and they are very familiar with it because they have resold it a number of times. This means they can provide you with the car's provenance.
- Peter
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Thanks for the replys guys. I spoke with a salesman today at Scotti about that car but as soon as he told me the car had a rebuilt engine (why) and new paint (why) on a 50,000 KM car, being that I am a bodyman and have been in the used car business for many years makes me wonder about this car and that it's price is to high. Not sure if I should be looking at cars of this type (year is not important to me) I guess because of what I want in the end... build or buy? lol
The more I am thinking now... if I am looking at spending this kind of coin on a "stock type" (engine/chassis) car (which I am not), I would be better off to spend a bit more and just try to make a deal on something like this one... seems like more bang for the buck to me, wonder if he would let it go for 70,000
http://www.panteracars.com/5192006FT.htm
The more I am thinking now... if I am looking at spending this kind of coin on a "stock type" (engine/chassis) car (which I am not), I would be better off to spend a bit more and just try to make a deal on something like this one... seems like more bang for the buck to me, wonder if he would let it go for 70,000
http://www.panteracars.com/5192006FT.htm
393BOSS,
If I was looking for a later model car, that's the one I'd be most interested in. Apparently the owner Fred Terry is well known and highly respected in Pantera circles.
Hey, consider this; if you wanted that car a couple years ago US$80K would have cost you something like CAD$110K, but as exchange rates stand now it's a mere CAD$88K!
I'd say that it looks a BARGAIN against the John Scotti car (of which I stand corrected, not in Toronto, but in Montreal; Hey all I know is it's North of the border and they got funnier accents in Montreal)
I shouldn't joke, the day fast approacheth when I'm gonna have to move up to Calgary, but the P car is coming for sure. I guess it's just gonna be a shorter cruisin' season (or on the glass is half full side) more winter down time for mods & Buttery Nipples .
Julian
If I was looking for a later model car, that's the one I'd be most interested in. Apparently the owner Fred Terry is well known and highly respected in Pantera circles.
Hey, consider this; if you wanted that car a couple years ago US$80K would have cost you something like CAD$110K, but as exchange rates stand now it's a mere CAD$88K!
I'd say that it looks a BARGAIN against the John Scotti car (of which I stand corrected, not in Toronto, but in Montreal; Hey all I know is it's North of the border and they got funnier accents in Montreal
)I shouldn't joke, the day fast approacheth when I'm gonna have to move up to Calgary, but the P car is coming for sure. I guess it's just gonna be a shorter cruisin' season (or on the glass is half full side) more winter down time for mods & Buttery Nipples .
Julian
Looking into these cars now, I am just trying to get a handle on pricing/value. Something seems odd/wrong to me that upgraded cars seem to be worth less than a stocker, that dones not seem right. example...
$71,000 usd for this
http://www.johnscotti.com/pages/main_exotics.html
or $75,000 usd for this
http://www.pim.net/3242006BlkGT5S.html
another example
$65,000 for this
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/detomas...tera_gt5/186269.html
or for just over 10,000 more this
http://www.panteracars.com/122705SR.htm
if you bought either of the canadian cars and tryed to upgrade them to anywhere close to the other two and person could spend a TON! more money then you may never get out of them. something seems retarded in all of this or is this an issue only with canadian cars?, seems to me it's not worth buying canadian cars?... USA cars = more bang for the buck.
$71,000 usd for this
http://www.johnscotti.com/pages/main_exotics.html
or $75,000 usd for this
http://www.pim.net/3242006BlkGT5S.html
another example
$65,000 for this
http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/detomas...tera_gt5/186269.html
or for just over 10,000 more this
http://www.panteracars.com/122705SR.htm
if you bought either of the canadian cars and tryed to upgrade them to anywhere close to the other two and person could spend a TON! more money then you may never get out of them. something seems retarded in all of this or is this an issue only with canadian cars?, seems to me it's not worth buying canadian cars?... USA cars = more bang for the buck.
Well I found another CND car that does not seem to be a deal compared to most usa cars... 81 gt5
http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/
I called them, they want 67,000 usd, dealer said its basicly stock, I mentioned to the salesman about the Scotti car and he said they have had that car forever... maybe these guys don't really want to sell these things?. With the CND doller being as good as it is and only going to get better, I think these canadian guys are sleeping at the wheel
http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/
I called them, they want 67,000 usd, dealer said its basicly stock, I mentioned to the salesman about the Scotti car and he said they have had that car forever... maybe these guys don't really want to sell these things?. With the CND doller being as good as it is and only going to get better, I think these canadian guys are sleeping at the wheel
You could probably buy an AMerican car and save a lot of money and not just because of the exchange rate, there are a lot more cars down here.
I know all these cars well. The yellow one is an older car conversion. The others are legit GT5 models.
I woulod be happy to help you get a deal from Scotti. I know the Scottis well. I got both my Panteras there - the 73 in 84 and and the 82 in 86.
Knowing the condition of the cars, and your dilemma re which car to buy and how much to pay, I could advise you better if I understood why you are buying a Pantera.
Like all of us I'm sure the sight of the wide body from behind makes your knees weak, but pick one of these:
1 - You're going to put in your garage, polish it often, stare at it a lot and take it to the local drive-in on Wednesday cruise nights.
2 - You're going to drive it a lot. Not fast or agressively but take it out most evenings and weekends for an hour long highway runs.
3 - You're going to replace your old Porsche with this and drive it to work most days.
4 - You're going to spend the next many years, improving this car bit by bit so it will eventually look like a trailer queen but will let you drive the sh*t out of it regularly without breaking - and leave Ferraris and modern muscle cars in the dust.
I woulod be happy to help you get a deal from Scotti. I know the Scottis well. I got both my Panteras there - the 73 in 84 and and the 82 in 86.
Knowing the condition of the cars, and your dilemma re which car to buy and how much to pay, I could advise you better if I understood why you are buying a Pantera.
Like all of us I'm sure the sight of the wide body from behind makes your knees weak, but pick one of these:
1 - You're going to put in your garage, polish it often, stare at it a lot and take it to the local drive-in on Wednesday cruise nights.
2 - You're going to drive it a lot. Not fast or agressively but take it out most evenings and weekends for an hour long highway runs.
3 - You're going to replace your old Porsche with this and drive it to work most days.
4 - You're going to spend the next many years, improving this car bit by bit so it will eventually look like a trailer queen but will let you drive the sh*t out of it regularly without breaking - and leave Ferraris and modern muscle cars in the dust.
Or, 5 - All of the above - over time of course.
As has been mentioned, intended use will make some choices better than others. Even so, things may change over time as you own the car. When I started looking, I was expecting to find a car with needs and improve it over time (as I drove the crap out of it). The car I bought was so clean and unmolested, I kind of feel like I am the car's caretaker (not in a bad way) and that I shouldn't "use it up", but enjoy it while preserving it for myself and others to enjoy for many years to come. This is not a bad thing, but I was surprised how my approach to the car has changed over the years of owning it. I still wanted to drive the crap out of it, so I bought a GT40 replica for abusive duty.
My point? if you think you might be leaning towards the trailer queens, make sure you'll still be able to enjoy the car if it gets a nick and scratch here and there, otherwise you may end up having to buy another car to actually drive!
Importing a car 15+ years old is pretty easy (just did it). Other than all the taxes, it's a simple form. Just make sure you have a clear title and an export clearance stamp from US Customs (takes 3 days to clear titles for export). Also, isn't there a 6.1% duty applied to cars not made in North America, regardless of age? Good luck. Let me know if I can help out.
As has been mentioned, intended use will make some choices better than others. Even so, things may change over time as you own the car. When I started looking, I was expecting to find a car with needs and improve it over time (as I drove the crap out of it). The car I bought was so clean and unmolested, I kind of feel like I am the car's caretaker (not in a bad way) and that I shouldn't "use it up", but enjoy it while preserving it for myself and others to enjoy for many years to come. This is not a bad thing, but I was surprised how my approach to the car has changed over the years of owning it. I still wanted to drive the crap out of it, so I bought a GT40 replica for abusive duty.
My point? if you think you might be leaning towards the trailer queens, make sure you'll still be able to enjoy the car if it gets a nick and scratch here and there, otherwise you may end up having to buy another car to actually drive!
Importing a car 15+ years old is pretty easy (just did it). Other than all the taxes, it's a simple form. Just make sure you have a clear title and an export clearance stamp from US Customs (takes 3 days to clear titles for export). Also, isn't there a 6.1% duty applied to cars not made in North America, regardless of age? Good luck. Let me know if I can help out.
Hi guys, thanks for the replys. I contacted the guy that owned the 84 gt5 in new york, he told me he sold the car for his asking price $49,500 with extra parts last in april and funny enough the car went to Toronto, I thought this was a reasonable price (I was told by local guys here to look for USA cars and its absoloutely no problem to import 15+ year old cars to cnd, they have done it many times). I thought I would look for cnd cars anyway and found 3 cnd gt5's. I e-mailed a simular offer on the yellow and red cnd cars which I feel is very fair offers for "STOCK" type cars with no real upgrades. I guess I could give the same offer on the silver one although the engine/paint bug me.
This year I was going to buy a FFR Cobra but then was reminded about the P cars again and thought with the computer I would look into it (wow, lots of cars/parts). At first I was looking at spending $30/40,000 cnd on my cobra (which will be a 500/600hp 2000+lb terror). I am very much into power and making a car all it can/should be. I started looking at P cars in the $30/$40 but then found the P.I site with the cars that I would build allready built. Problem is now I am looking at double the coin (so much for my budget). now I am a bit lost, do I pay more money for some of these (OLD) "stock" cars than I feel they are worth (like I do with my Buells) or just go back to my (NEW) "good bang for my buck" $30/40,000cnd 600hp FFR killer Cobra?. I am really a "good value/bang for the buck" kind of guy, I don't like feeling riped off for a bunch of old tin. I have always liked these cars from when I was a teen and more so because of the power plant than anything else. I have built/restored many cars over the years and know that most money gets lost in the drive train, some of my junk http://www.cardomain.com/id/kazzoom
I guess I could knuckle down and look to buy the upgraded $70/80,000 P.I cars which will give me more value for my hard earned money but the drag about that is there would be nothing I could do to/on them except be a caretaker. I don't know I guess am just sitting on the fence now waiting for the wind to blow... who farted???
This year I was going to buy a FFR Cobra but then was reminded about the P cars again and thought with the computer I would look into it (wow, lots of cars/parts). At first I was looking at spending $30/40,000 cnd on my cobra (which will be a 500/600hp 2000+lb terror). I am very much into power and making a car all it can/should be. I started looking at P cars in the $30/$40 but then found the P.I site with the cars that I would build allready built. Problem is now I am looking at double the coin (so much for my budget). now I am a bit lost, do I pay more money for some of these (OLD) "stock" cars than I feel they are worth (like I do with my Buells) or just go back to my (NEW) "good bang for my buck" $30/40,000cnd 600hp FFR killer Cobra?. I am really a "good value/bang for the buck" kind of guy, I don't like feeling riped off for a bunch of old tin. I have always liked these cars from when I was a teen and more so because of the power plant than anything else. I have built/restored many cars over the years and know that most money gets lost in the drive train, some of my junk http://www.cardomain.com/id/kazzoom
I guess I could knuckle down and look to buy the upgraded $70/80,000 P.I cars which will give me more value for my hard earned money but the drag about that is there would be nothing I could do to/on them except be a caretaker. I don't know I guess am just sitting on the fence now waiting for the wind to blow
... who farted???
I forgot to mention that I would pick #4 and 5. deeb, do you know if the scotti car was crashed?, being the engine is rebuilt, the paint is new on a low km car and they have there own body shop makes me wonder.
There are so many older cars I see for sale all over the usa for all sorts of diffrent money, its hard to understand where the screwed up pricing is coming from. I found e-bay is a great place to gauge pricing by how many guys bid and what they are willing to pay. Originaly I wanted a 70's type "classic" car which to me should be worth more than a 80's "old" car
A guy here in alberta bought a crazy 70's show car for $50,000 usd, It's really what I want in a pantera, the engine makes me want to pull my pud. The flared body cars are what I always liked since I was a teen. http://tkatchev.ucs.ualberta.ca/pantera/index.html
There are so many older cars I see for sale all over the usa for all sorts of diffrent money, its hard to understand where the screwed up pricing is coming from. I found e-bay is a great place to gauge pricing by how many guys bid and what they are willing to pay. Originaly I wanted a 70's type "classic" car which to me should be worth more than a 80's "old" car
A guy here in alberta bought a crazy 70's show car for $50,000 usd, It's really what I want in a pantera, the engine makes me want to pull my pud. The flared body cars are what I always liked since I was a teen. http://tkatchev.ucs.ualberta.ca/pantera/index.html
Okay 393, seeing as how you are a #4 or #5 guy here's my advice:
Buy a solid car. Any year. Any model. These can be had for 35 to 40 with no rust, a strong chassis and basic drivetrain ready to enhance. You're going to spend 50 to 75 more on it anyhow over the years, so you might as well spend it only on those things you want, in the order you want, and end up with more than your money's worth when you're done.
Except for the red one on PIs site, all the others are pretty stock and will require lots of upgrades to get it where you want to go. Buying an already done up beast is okay, but you'll spend a lot more than you want and probably will find out that you would have done it different if you were in charge of the build. And you will likely start redoing a lot of the investment that the prvious owners already made.
So start with a solid chassis and go from there. You will add all your own preferences over the years. There are so many options, parts and vendors and so much expertise on these Pantera sites. Take your time. Getting there is half the fun.
Oh yeah. In my humble opinion, aside from an open top, a 600 HP Cobra kit doesn't hold a candle to a Pantera.
Buy a solid car. Any year. Any model. These can be had for 35 to 40 with no rust, a strong chassis and basic drivetrain ready to enhance. You're going to spend 50 to 75 more on it anyhow over the years, so you might as well spend it only on those things you want, in the order you want, and end up with more than your money's worth when you're done.
Except for the red one on PIs site, all the others are pretty stock and will require lots of upgrades to get it where you want to go. Buying an already done up beast is okay, but you'll spend a lot more than you want and probably will find out that you would have done it different if you were in charge of the build. And you will likely start redoing a lot of the investment that the prvious owners already made.
So start with a solid chassis and go from there. You will add all your own preferences over the years. There are so many options, parts and vendors and so much expertise on these Pantera sites. Take your time. Getting there is half the fun.
Oh yeah. In my humble opinion, aside from an open top, a 600 HP Cobra kit doesn't hold a candle to a Pantera.