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2011 DeTomaso Automobili Pantera

whiplashwhiplashMember
The new owners of the DeTomaso brand are far into production of their Ford-powered SUV. I have some details about it and it should be a real Cayenne killer. Aluminum body, 1,200 pounds lighter and over 400 rear wheel horsepower. The price will also be in the Cayenne turbo area I learned. The new DeTomaso will have similar proportions as the Cayenne.
There will be a new Pantera coming perhaps by 2011 that should also be sensational. The new owners of DeTomaso have significant experience in car building and a full functioning factory in place. More details will be forthcoming and as I am able to reveal them, I will post the information here.
One thing that wasn't mentioned was the cost of the next Pantera. I thought that this poll may be of value in some way and I will submit the results to the US representative. Also, in case there was any confusion, the concept drawing in the Bulletin is only that and is in no way representative of the new Pantera. Dave
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cybomancybomanMember
A Targa top is a must for me!

In this day and age of carbon fiber tubs, space age polymers, and hand tickled aluminum components, I don't see why the main structure couldn't be engineered for a removable roof from the outset.

A twin supercharged engine would also be nice!

(While I'm ordering, I'll take some fries with that too.)

Michael
markcharltonmarkcharltonOld enough to know better and still young enough not to care. My '71 Pantera
If the "New" Pantera looked like the "Panthera" concept, we could have a discussion about wants and needs and price would be less of a consideration. If it looked like that bloated silver thing that was floated a while back, you wouldn't be able to park one in my driveway even if you were coming over for dinner.

I agree with Mike that a Targa would really add a huge level of desirability to the package. Supercharging seems like a pretty good idea as well for a modern Pantera.

I also agree that Will should order the salad instead of the fries. Big Grin

Mark
deloreansanddetomasosdeloreansanddetomasosMember
All I want is this thing to resemble the lines, attitude and concept of the actual DeTomaso Pantera. I have for one, ZERO interest in an exotic engine. Carbon fiber is OK too. At the end of the day I wouldn't be looking for a refined car, I would be hoping for a modern day kick you in the gut, balls out supercar that isn't afraid to spit in the face of the thoroughbred overengineered, nervous on the brink ballerinas that the competition puts out.
I'd love to see a no excuses, no apologies, sideways at the merest blip of the throttle, fat tired, loud as F@ck, in your face Italian equivalent of the corvette. Capisca???

Oh yeah..... and a wing!!!
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robertvegasrobertvegasMember
I didn't do the poll, but only because my spending limit has nothing to do with what I would like to see in the car. For the car to be everything I want, it will be out of my current price range.

One thing I know for sure, I don't want it to compete in the same price range as our cars. For this to raise the Pantera brand, the car will need to be great, and priced above $100k. That means it will need to be perceived as more advanced, of higher quality and at least equal in performance to the ZR1.
George PGeorge PAdmin.
It should be Ford powered, an Italian hot-rod, and the US price should be no more than the price of a Z06 Corvette. Realistic horsepower, nothing more than 500 BHP, and keep the weight under control. I'd rather have a 2400 pound car with 400 BHP than a 3000 pound car with 500 BHP; both have 6 pounds per horsepower. Six pounds per horsepower would be an excellent target, by the way; 7 pounds per horsepower isn't bad either. On the subject of coach design, the car should at least be as good looking as the original Pantera, but I'm always open to having my socks knocked-off by a new design. However, besting the original design is a tall order.

-G
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ea3528ea3528Member
The next car on my list is an '06 Ford GT, which I like because of the resemblance to the classic ... but with the obvious modern technology improvements.

I would strongly consider a new Pantera if it met or exceeded the performance specs of the GT. Of course, it will have to remain unblemished in terms of design as it is the best looking car of all-time, IMO.

I am also in the market for a new SUV and would LOVE to add another De Tomaso to my garage!

Thanks for the info, Dave.

EA
4nhotrod4nhotrodHe who dies with the most toys is dead
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The next car on my list is an '06 Ford GT, which I like because of the resemblance to the classic ... but with the obvious modern technology improvements

I'm actually actively looking for a twin turbo Ford GT. Business was really good for me and I made alot of sales this year. My Boss has promised me a big bonus and I'm looking to add to the stable. I'm also thinking about a Gallardo. Tough choices....
Will
cybomancybomanMember
quote:
Originally posted by DeLoreans and DeTomasos:
All I want is this thing to resemble the lines, attitude and concept of the actual DeTomaso Pantera. I have for one, ZERO interest in an exotic engine. Carbon fiber is OK too. At the end of the day I wouldn't be looking for a refined car, I would be hoping for a modern day kick you in the gut, balls out supercar that isn't afraid to spit in the face of the thoroughbred overengineered, nervous on the brink ballerinas that the competition puts out.
I'd love to see a no excuses, no apologies, sideways at the merest blip of the throttle, fat tired, loud as F@ck, in your face Italian equivalent of the corvette. Capisca???

Oh yeah..... and a wing!!!

Don't hold back now, Harry. Let us know what you really think!

Michael
57545754If you're not kickin' up dust, you're collectin' it!
Nice Bonus Will roll on floor

Hey Will, at least you got a bonus cheque, sure it isn't gonna impress the lambo sales guy when you slap that on the desk as down payment, but maybe if you set your sights lower you'll get some respect - I hear Malcolm Bricklin wants to start importing cars from China (seeing as his supply of Ladas dried up).
57545754If you're not kickin' up dust, you're collectin' it!
As for the new DeTomaso's, can't wait to see some more 'official' shots of what they're thinking of. I agree with the other posts that the new cars have to stand out from the pack, it should take queues from the original design and have a good blend of old school sound and attitude, with modern safety and conveniences (a cup holder for David would be good).
joulesjoules"Racing is Life, anything before or after is just waiting" - Steve McQueen
Will,

It's refreshing to hear someone had a positive year anyway...

On a Ford GT note you may already be aware that Canadian delivered Ford GT's are different than US delivered ones and hence the US ones are inadmissible to Canada. I think there were about 500 Canadian cars, which makes the search a little more challenging.... a twin turbo conversion even more so...... but I like your thinking. As I grow in years I often consider selling most of my cars to get a modern Supercar and the Ford GT is right up there, along with a Lamborghini. I keep migrating to the later Diablo's though, still something about the V12's.

Julian
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detroitmasodetroitmasoMember
My opinion.........
1--It should be styled to be a modern takeoff on the original Pantera design, something along the lines of the "Panthera" concept.
2--It should be Ford powered for reliability and ease of maintainace. 5.4l supercharged or IR EFI would be nice.
3--Nice interior styling. Don't use off the shelf plastic knobs and switches as they did in the Guara.
4--It should be priced at least 25-30% below it's direct competition (Ferrari,Lambo)
5--Finally and most importantly, it has to be well engineered and thoroughly tested before released. Not hastily introduced to the market..............Could you see the new Pantera having cooling system problems, for example............The automotive press would have a field day!

I guess what I am saying is that it has to be what what the original Pantera should have been; A budget supercar that is on par or surpasses it's peers in performance, styling, reliability and price.

Ian
does200does200Member
I have to consider withdrawing my vote, as here in CA any post 74 car has to deal with the smog cops. Supercars and CA smog laws don't seem to go over well here, which is why I won't buy a real 5S car and then have to live with a somewhat whimpy engine compared to other exotics. But if this new DeTomaso has a real strong stock engine that needs no mods to beef it up and it will pass smog easily, well then maybe. But I buy for value too, and most new cars anyway depreciate year by year, even the super cars.
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deloreansanddetomasosdeloreansanddetomasosMember
quote:
Originally posted by Cyboman:
quote:
Originally posted by DeLoreans and DeTomasos:
All I want is this thing to resemble the lines, attitude and concept of the actual DeTomaso Pantera. I have for one, ZERO interest in an exotic engine. Carbon fiber is OK too. At the end of the day I wouldn't be looking for a refined car, I would be hoping for a modern day kick you in the gut, balls out supercar that isn't afraid to spit in the face of the thoroughbred overengineered, nervous on the brink ballerinas that the competition puts out.
I'd love to see a no excuses, no apologies, sideways at the merest blip of the throttle, fat tired, loud as F@ck, in your face Italian equivalent of the corvette. Capisca???

Oh yeah..... and a wing!!!

Don't hold back now, Harry. Let us know what you really think!

Michael
Are you kidding me??? I have been dreaming about a Pantera for years!!!! I was actually holding back!!!!
cybomancybomanMember
quote:
Originally posted by DeLoreans and DeTomasos:
quote:
Originally posted by Cyboman:
quote:
Originally posted by DeLoreans and DeTomasos:
All I want is this thing to resemble the lines, attitude and concept of the actual DeTomaso Pantera. I have for one, ZERO interest in an exotic engine. Carbon fiber is OK too. At the end of the day I wouldn't be looking for a refined car, I would be hoping for a modern day kick you in the gut, balls out supercar that isn't afraid to spit in the face of the thoroughbred overengineered, nervous on the brink ballerinas that the competition puts out.
I'd love to see a no excuses, no apologies, sideways at the merest blip of the throttle, fat tired, loud as F@ck, in your face Italian equivalent of the corvette. Capisca???

Oh yeah..... and a wing!!!

Don't hold back now, Harry. Let us know what you really think!

Michael
Are you kidding me??? I have been dreaming about a Pantera for years!!!! I was actually holding back!!!!

If you hold out just a bit longer, you could be the first on the block with a brand spanking new 2012 (or so) Pantera! That would be freakin' sweet.

Michael
George PGeorge PAdmin.
Sports cars have become very soft-edged and luxurious. There was a time when a sports car was nothing more than a street legal car you could buy off the show room floor and take amateur racing. I like the idea of something a little more "hard-edged" than the current crop of psuedo sports cars. If you look at the big picture, sports cars, even super cars, have become cookie cutter copies of one another, differing only in details and styling. And there are some Japanese and South African sports cars that will put Italy's super cars to shame for a lot less money.

Something with the engineering of the KTM X-Bow, but with Italian styling, might shake up the sports car world. The X-Bow weighs 1600 pounds, it's available with 220, 260 or 300 horsepower (7.27 pounds per horsepower, 6.15 pounds per horsepower or 5.33 pounds per horsepower respectively). It costs around $50,000 USD. Colin Chapman would approve.

-G
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