Thought I would put it out here in front of a Pantera crowd and see what I get. I have owned #2931 for about 20 years. It was a dream of mine to own a Pantera since the first time I saw one when I was 12 sitting on my Schwinn Stingray(which I still have). Well, like I said I purchased it about 20 years ago and it has been everything I had hoped. Sadly it just sits . I rarely drive it and have been telling myself for years now I should really find a new babysitter for it. Recently (past year or so) I have sort of been looking at the more modern muscle cars. I really like the 2013-2014 Shelby GT500s and/or the Super Snakes, the last of the retro look is what I like, along with the big horsepower numbers. Call me crazy but I think I would sort of like to trade for the right car, if that's possible. Here is a link to the add I placed on Craigslist. My Pantera

I don't have a good feel for the value of the car but put a trade value of $85,000.00 on it given what I see people asking. That's probably high but so is what most people think their mustangs are worth. I would be open to a cash offer that I guess I could use to to get a newer Shelby but maybe there is a trade waiting out there.

In any case feel free to ask any questions about the car or add your two cents on values.

Keith.
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Im not going to put a value on the car. I haven't been watching for the last long while.
As Ive said before ( and been bashed for it), personal touches like yellow accents everywhere will lessen the amount of people being interested in your car. Best to stay neutral, IMO.
Will
Yes, the value seems a funny thing. When I bought the car mustangs and Shelbys had no where near the value. Now I see people asking 70-80k for fake Shelby clones. Sort of odd. Maybe it has to do with the cost of restoration.

Personal touches do have to appeal to the right person I agree. But I built the car for myself I guess, not necessarily for resale. It is not a perfect original car, that's for sure, but I wouldn't want one for myself. Part of the fun of a Pantera for me was personalization and running it a few times at Road America. Worth every penny I spent on the car. Car shows, cruzes, were a lot of fun. Hard to keep clean with the brake dust and the engine cavity like a giant dust vacuum. Sort of why it sits. After a few years of cleaning after every drive, and without being able to use a hose to wash it. Well I guess I just got lazy or busy or both. The steering wheel is removable. I have the original seats so I suppose that would eliminate most of the accents if desired.

For me, a Shelby with the accents is more desirable than a stripe delete car, and what I would prefer. Shelby American and Ford must figure the same thing from what see. Do upgrades hurt or help a car? Maybe depends on the buyer?

Thank you for the replies.
Keith.
Thanks Don. Yeah, I guess Jay and I share the same opinion of what we like in a Pantera. Stock body, big tire car is what I built. Kind of an old build now, but time does March on. I think it's a nice car, just after 20 years maybe it's someone else's turn to keep it clean. At the end of the day I guess maybe the value is what someone is willing to pay or trade but I needed to start someplace.

Keith.
I have Snow White, a car in a similar situation as yours. Modified, stock body remains, but many personal mods done, HUGE power, owned and built by someone who was supposedly well respected in the P-car community, and IMO it IS what I wanted, a modded hotrod Pantera. I didn't want a stocker, so I figured I'd found the right car for me.

It HAS turned out (finally) to be that car I was looking for (after a lot of work and time and money). I've been asking much less than you are asking for your car and had mixed results.

There's those cars that are worth what someone is willing to pay for it, and both our cars fit into that category.

Good luck with your sale.
Thank you Mike for your input, it is appreciated. I went and took a look at your add and car. Nice Pantera. Sort of what I am used to seeing. The all stock cars while very nice in my opinion are more for the collectors not the enthusiasts. I am an enthusiast. It is hard to own a Pantera and not dream about performance enhancements if you drive the car I would think. So much potential there. For me living so close to Road America it seemed natural to build the car for some light track work the first couple years I owned it. Very fun. To experience a track like Road America is almost beyond explanation. I had spectated for years, one corner or a straight at a time. Amazing to take in the entire track and experience not only the turns but the changes in elevation. What the car was designed to do. Did it affect the value? Maybe, but not to me, just after 20 some years of ownership and declining interest I thought a new babysitter may be in order. When I take a look on Ebay and other for sale services I am just amazed at what Mustangs sell for now. Surely a Pantera with performance modifications should approach 100K and a 100% unmolested museum piece even more. For me I think what I am asking is in the right range. A 2013-2014 Shelby like I am looking for will always be out there and most likely be worth less and more affordable every day in the near future. Trading the Pantera just seems a way for me to justify getting a newer performance car. Most likely I will get one whether the Pantera sells or not. Just had a bug to put the car out there after all these years I guess.

Thanks again to all for the opinions. Sort of makes me want to add a chassis stiffening kit and carbon fiber hood and deck lid to the car.

Keith.
It's a funny old world this Pantera universe isn't it?

I like it Keith. I'd but yours AND Mikes (I really like Mikes) if I could justify the $$'s just now with 1424 still needing another 50K spent on it to get it rust free and as I want it.

The yellow internal stuff is really just fluff - seats and a steering wheel are nothing in the scheme of Pantera world to replace if its not what someone wants in a car but everything else is great.

Question if I may - what size are your rear wheels and tyres? The one thing I want to sort sooner rather than later on mine is the back wheels - they hide too far inside the guards and it makes it look a lot less "aggressive"...

Michael.
My car is running PI wheels, 12x17's, with 335x35x17 rear tires (just about as wide as they make, I THINK there's a 245 out there, but I'm running as wide a tire as is available).

I think it's totally cool that so much meat can fit within the stock fenderwells without mods.

Fronts of course are much smaller, 235x45x17 I think. My car is running on "cheater slicks", basically slick racing tires with just two little rings that apparently make them street legal. No good for rain though, although I'd NEVER drive my car in the rain, for many reasons. It's rust free, and I want to keep it that way.

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I live 20 minutes from Sears Point Raceway, and plan to do some track days with my car, if it doesn't sell.

I kind of move from dream to dream. Owning a Pantera was one dream I've had since I was 13-14. Now that I've accomplished that dream, I AM happy, and enjoying driving and owning the car.

A bigger, longer dream of mine has been to fly, and own an airplane, and I just discovered that I actually CAN afford to do just that. I'd always considered owning a plane was just WAY out of my abilities, but I've learned that there's lots of cheap planes out there.

I'm buying a plane in a month or so, whether I sell the car or not. Flying is just a whole new world, and VERY cool. I've found a plane that I'll be looking at soon in Arizona, may just fly it home.

IF, my Pantera sells, then that opens up new level of planes I can shop for, but it doesn't matter either way. I'll be up there enjoying the skies either way. Taking lessons right now. Should have my license in a couple months, and may even finish my lessons in my own airplane! That'll save me 5 or 6 grand in lessons costs, because the plane rental is the expensive part.

Again, good luck with your sale.



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Originally posted by kghills:
Thank you Mike for your input, it is appreciated. I went and took a look at your add and car. Nice Pantera. Sort of what I am used to seeing. The all stock cars while very nice in my opinion are more for the collectors not the enthusiasts. I am an enthusiast. It is hard to own a Pantera and not dream about performance enhancements if you drive the car I would think. So much potential there. For me living so close to Road America it seemed natural to build the car for some light track work the first couple years I owned it. Very fun. To experience a track like Road America is almost beyond explanation. I had spectated for years, one corner or a straight at a time. Amazing to take in the entire track and experience not only the turns but the changes in elevation. What the car was designed to do. Did it affect the value? Maybe, but not to me, just after 20 some years of ownership and declining interest I thought a new babysitter may be in order. When I take a look on Ebay and other for sale services I am just amazed at what Mustangs sell for now. Surely a Pantera with performance modifications should approach 100K and a 100% unmolested museum piece even more. For me I think what I am asking is in the right range. A 2013-2014 Shelby like I am looking for will always be out there and most likely be worth less and more affordable every day in the near future. Trading the Pantera just seems a way for me to justify getting a newer performance car. Most likely I will get one whether the Pantera sells or not. Just had a bug to put the car out there after all these years I guess.

Thanks again to all for the opinions. Sort of makes me want to add a chassis stiffening kit and carbon fiber hood and deck lid to the car.

Keith.
The car looks good, is the year most people want, the best color (sorry I am biased), priced and stated properly.

Might I suggest adding a comment to the listing that the stock parts that you have go with the car, it might bring a wider group of buyers.

IMHO people that are looking for a 00001 mile odometer car... should find one with original gas it would only be seen on a trailer! Smile.

I believe our cars are way undervalued, compared to others of like and kind. I just wish in 1978, I would have said yes to that baby blue 1968 Shelby GT KR500 from my friend Chris years ago (with the 427 side oiler that won Lime Rock in 1969...) it would have been 2 grand well spent. But it has a good home with a guy at a Ford dealer in Berlin CT.
Thanks Michael. Yes the Pantera Galaxy, spread out all over the world I guess. My tires are on Kinesis 9x17 and 12x17 five spoke three piece wheels with forged centers. I run 245/40R17 and 335/35R17 Michelin Pilots for tires. Can't remember the back spacing or offsets but when I ordered them years ago I just told Kinesis they were for a stock bodied Pantera and they seemed to know exactly what I needed. I think there are still job number stickers on the backs of the wheels. Let me know, if you need me to I can pull one off and get you the number.

Mike, 20 minutes from Sears Point? No matter what, weather you sell or keep your car, given the level of enhancements it appears you have done to your car you NEED to get it and yourself on a road coarse. You really owe it to yourself to add running a Pantera on a road coarse to your life experiences. Even if you just go out for a club day and do some high speed touring you need to do it. Around here the Shelby, Mustang, Corvette and Viper clubs will all let a Pantera play with them on the track when they have a track day. Just ask them nicely.

Joe, thanks, it is the best color, or as us with the yellow car gene call it the "right" color. I will add the parts I have will come with the car. Good idea. The cars do seem to be undervalued don't they. Maybe that's why they don't sell that often. I mean if the cars aren't selling for what the owner thinks their worth why sell it. For me there is a Ford hierarchy, it goes Mustangs, Shelbys, Panteras, AC Cobras, GT40s. Yes certain one only racing pedigree car might mess it up a bit but in general that's how I gauge it. As I stated before for me to see people asking near 100K for a fake Shelby Mustang just seems absurd if not just plain wrong. But that's me, and given the number I see at that price I could be wrong. I guess I will not add to the under valuing of the cars and ask what I'm asking. If I find a cool trade, that would be fine, but I am fine with keeping the car also.

And yes, as for the ones that got away, there I am 16 years old at the local mechanics shop looking at a 71 Hemi Cuda convertible automatic car with my neighbor who was looking at the car. He decides to pass at 2,200.00. I figure I will buy it till he tells my parents I'd kill myself in that car. Thanks a lot huh. The irony is that I purchased a 70 LS6 Chevelle instead and survived.

Many thanks again to all who have looked and those who have expressed their opinion.

Keith.
Thanks Keith and Mike - 335's look awesome and I'll have to do some homework on the rims I have in regards to offsets and the like. I suspect they're 10 x 17's which my tyre guys say will work.. but we'll see when we do a test fit later.

Does anyone know if they do a 12 x 17 Campy Clone?

Talking of ones that got away - when I was 17 I had the opportunity to buy a MK1 Lotus Escort for $600 that needed a little bit of work done. I had $400 and asked to borrow the other $200 from my dad - he declined my generous offer on the basis he hated working on the MK1 XL 1300 Escort he had. By the time I'd worked as hard as I could and got the other $200 it was sold. Complete back then they had it valued at 30k.
The PI wheels on my car are 12x17 Campi clones, but I think they're the GT wheel clones.

I Know that PI sells some Campi clones in the same sizes.
They are aluminum, not magnesium though.

They DID make some really wide original campis, magnesium, but I THINK they were 15's, like 12x15 or 13x15, and hard to find tires for these days I think, AND I think the offsets were for the GT cars with wider stances (flared race cars).

Flared, wider stance or not, 335 rear tires look bada$$ from behind.

http://www.pim.net/Wheels2007.html
I have my 73 red pantera for sale on this site also. The second one I have owned. Stock body and 17" campy look alike wheels from PI motorsports. Car completely gone thru similar to yours. But I still won't sell for less than what I think it is worth. I only have 650 miles since engine and trans rebuild. But I guess the collectors are interested in the stock ones with few or no upgrades. Like you I am an enthusiast. I like all the upgrades and performance. Also the upgraded ones ride so much better. I will probably just keep mine also. The people in the pantera community are wonderful and helpful. Hope you get your Shelby, they're also nice cars
Don, very nice looking 73. Your asking price is more than fair. No way I think you should take less. You are for sure right about the ride quality and especially the feel. Not that a stock car is bad, just that the upgrades seem to have such a positive impact on the performance of the car and how it feels. Maybe why so many parts are available for sort of a small market. When I put my car together not many cars had all the chassis stiffener kits in them. Big tires seem to have mandated them for most I think now. Especially with wheels like your 17" PI campys. I know the roll bar helped my car a bit at least for my driving ability, a chassis stiffener kit would be way better. Maybe if I keep the car.

Don't seem to have any interest from the Shelby crowd. Not one response on the FordGT500 forum or Craigslist add. But maybe that's to be expected. I am always surprised the number of customers that come to my shop and see the Pantera sitting in the old show room and have absolutely no idea of what kind of car it is. Panteras, the forgotten Ford. In any case the more I talk about the old Pantera the less I think about a new Shelby. Almost start to think about how I always wanted to get a nice GT40 replica some day.

Have a nice Thanksgiving and good luck with your sale also, Keith.
Well I have had my 72 Pantera listed for about a month now. Not a lot of serious inquiries and now I seem to be attracting brokers and consignment houses, joy. I had a couple Shelby owners contact me but non with a glass roof optioned car like I am looking for. I have located a couple cars I would consider but would like to have the room available for another car if I purchase one. Given the fact that I have had the car approaching 20 years now I am in a position to consider offers of what someone else may think my car is worth, so off to Ebay it will go. It would be nice for it to go to someone who would appreciate it. As always thank you for taking a look at the thread, Keith.

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