Another New Pantera Rumor

I know it's just a rumor, but if it's 600 hp GM, 1200 kg and looks like the picture, I'll be lining up. May not afford it from new, but one day...

That car looks great. I cannot wait to see what is finally shown. I hope their money problems get fixed and they can actually produce cars.

That car looks like a tarted up version of Stephan Schultz' Panthera concept designed to go on a Gallardo chassis.



http://www.firstsignal.de/?p=19
http://www.seriouswheels.com/c...y-Stefan-Schulze.htm

I'll believe it when I see it, and can touch it! I still can't afford to buy one!

I would love to see a new "Pantera" type of sports car enter the marketplace. A sports car that is both exciting to look at and performs like a brute such that it stirs up visceral emotions strong enough to last a lifetime. One that is powerful, yet affordable enough that a teenage boy in high school can say to himself ... one day I'll own one of those cars ... and it isn't a pipe dream that is out of his reach. A new sports car that isn't a status symbol (i.e. like a Ferrari) or a me too car (i.e. like a Corvette) but an individualists car ... like a DeTomaso!

How many of us current owners fit into that description?

I don't think the new DeTomaso and I see eye to eye on that subject. They don't understand the experience I'm talking about ... they don't care about high school boys and visceral emotions. But Alejandro understood what its like to have a car under your skin ... and what it means to be an individualist.

I own my dream car ... I'm just as passionate about it today as I was when I first saw one at Peyton Lincoln Mercury in 1971. I'm not in the market for a new dream car. I'm still tight within the grip of that visceral emotion. But I think the young guys in high school today deserve their own "Pantera" experience, so yeah bring on the next Pantera!

I've been working on 6018 lately, and I gotta tell you, opening the doors and being hit in the face with that smell .... that Pantera fragrance ... there's just nothing like it. If they bottled that smell I'd wear it for cologne.

-G

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I've been working on 6018 lately, and I gotta tell you, opening the doors and being hit in the face with that smell .... that Pantera fragrance ... there's just nothing like it. If they bottled that smell I'd wear it for cologne.

Ahh yes George the sweet smell of "Pleather"

The Pantera's aroma is very unique. I remember that same smell of my first, #4060 back in the 70s. And #4134 smells the same.

Maybe to fine leather purists it is cheap. But to me it is part of the unique character I love about Panteras.

I know it is only an artist's picture. But the front of the Panthera is better. More flat, angular and too me carries the original Pantera theme.
Jeff

Overall, I like the look. However, I don't care for the design of the wheel arches. I would prefer that the body came out to meet the outer edge of the wheel like the 5s.

if thrue..i have a second hand BMW 650 for sale !

Interesting, but I have too much blue in my veins to drive a Chevy.

So, are there plans for this new Pantera to make it to the states? If so, where would I find this info? Thanks, Alex

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Originally posted by Dave2811:
According to this article:
http://www.autobild.de/artikel...pantera-1856745.html
A new Pantera will be at the 2011 IAA in Frankfurt in September. Google translation:

The Italian sports car maker De Tomaso is at the IAA in 2011 (15th to 25th September) the new version of Pantera ("Panther") before. The athlete is powered by a 600-hp V8, the De Tomaso took over from GM. The body is made of aluminum, the curb weight is said to be under 1,200 kilograms. Prices are not fixed yet. De Tomaso built until the middle car of the year, after the Italian industrial family Rossignolo had bought the naming rights.

That GM motor will make the car the best! I think they got the idea from us....

http://blog.saccrestorations.net

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Originally posted by Chris Bell:
That GM motor will make the car the best! I think they got the idea from us....

http://blog.saccrestorations.net

let us know when the royalties start rolling in!!

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Originally posted by Wade:
Interesting, but I have too much blue in my veins to drive a Chevy.

If I wanted a chevy power sportcar I would get a corvette. They really should use the Ford GT engine..!

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If I wanted a chevy power sportcar I would get a corvette. They really should use the Ford GT engine..!

To each his own...

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Originally posted by DEVIL:

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Originally posted by Wade:
Interesting, but I have too much blue in my veins to drive a Chevy.

If I wanted a chevy power sportcar I would get a corvette. They really should use the Ford GT engine..!

I kinda agree here. No offense, Scott and Chris!

I'm with you Chris...each to there own.

For me, A new Pantera? I'll believe it when I see it! Chevy or Ford engine!

Besides, I'm sure it will be out of my price range?

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Originally posted by DEVIL:

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Originally posted by Wade:
Interesting, but I have too much blue in my veins to drive a Chevy.

If I wanted a chevy power sportcar I would get a corvette. They really should use the Ford GT engine..!

is that engine still in production ? and used in any other car then the FGT's, now today ???
any idea of price of that Ford engine compared to the Chevy ??? just curious....

Ford/Chevy? Always a good topic. I was born and bred with Chevy, and in my younger years I wouldn't buy anything else. But things have evolved. Now I have one Chevy, I have two Chrysler's as the daily drivers, and of course two DeTomasos with Ford Clevelands. I like them all.

I doubt anybody driving a Pantera, old or new, can feel/guess what brand of V8 is powering it.

And now the flame statement: I think we all should be glad DeTomaso made a deal with Ford and not GM/Chevy. Why? Not because the Cleveland was superior to the Chevy, but since the Chevy-following is so much bigger, the car would have been more sought after and therefore more expensive for us to buy.

When my half-race Cleveland has its final breakdown, if someone like saccrestorations has kit ready, I'd consider a swap to that Chevy engine.

The Ford GT motor is no longer available from Ford. The engine last listed for ~$35,000 plus I heard a $7200 core charge from Ford. That engine was not used in any other Ford production car.

When I say I kinda agree, I agree in concept. In reality, I'd rather see a 5.0 Coyote variant powered car. The Ford GT motor was definitely awesome, but the foundation of the motor is 15 years old. The new 5.0 is the way to go. Add direct injection and twin turbocharging ala Ecoboost tech, (which it was designed to be able to handle) and you have a monster.

I really have nothing against a GM motor, but in my mind it kinda detracts from the history of the car.

I am a car guy. Not a Chevy or Ford guy. I have had lots of Chevy's and Ford's over the years. I buy what I like based on my personal preference and what I think is the best.

You can tell who on this board is a car guy and who is a Ford or Chevy guy. If I felt there was a better Ford engine to retrofit in my Pantera I would have used it. IMO, let me say that again, IMO the LS376 is the best fitting retrofitted motor for the Pantera when you consider the HP per dollar number and the ease of installation.

For me, I don't care about if I devalue my car since I will never sell it. When I'm gone the car will go to my son.

Like I said, if (IMO) there was a better Ford engine to put in my car I would have done it. I say again... to each their own...

Yes, to each his own.

I have a friend (yes, really!) that only buys and drives Hondas. He can't really say why, Japan's BMW and hype like that, but it his money. But the fact is that it so limits his options, he has so little to choose from. That's his loss.

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When my half-race Cleveland has its final breakdown, if someone like saccrestorations has kit ready, I'd consider a swap to that Chevy engine.

Mikael,

When you are ready to step into the dark side SACC Restorations will be ready to help you in any way that we can...

Take care, Scott

Maybe some nice engine covers reading Pantera instead of Corvette would make the switch easier for people?

Damn, nice looking update design. In my opinion much nicer retro update than the new Camaros or Challengers trying to make the modernized change from old school to new. Maybe I can trade my classic Maserati Biturbo for it, even trade

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Maybe some nice engine covers reading Pantera instead of Corvette would make the switch easier for people?

And in Blue...

I guess i'm not a car guy anymore since I like fords, especially since someone on a forum said so... Thanks for the laugh though.

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I guess i'm not a car guy anymore since I like fords, especially since someone on a forum said so... Thanks for the laugh though.

If ALL you like is Ford's then no, your not a car guy, your a Ford guy.

If you like all kinds of cars like most of us here, then your a car guy. I hope I have cleared things up for you...

Oh, and by the way, I like Ford's as well...

Hhhmmm, it sounds like some people bought a Pantera because it has a Ford engine. I bought a Pantera happy that it had an American V8, being Ford or whatever.

Taking it to the extreme, buying a Pantera because it has a Ford engine would be like buying a Lamborghini because you love the Audi switches Sorry

Been following this story for a while now as I'm sure many of you are too. I have daily google alerts set up for all things DeTomaso. Not much out there. The prototype, while not really DeTomasos' looks promising although, I do hope it is visually more exciting than the video suggests. The Frankfurt show is not too far off, I hope it's not just a pipe dream. There is a glut of sports/supercars out there. I hope the Pantera truly is a standout car. The new Aventador certainly is.

I'm a person who like a ford engine with a ford, chevy w/ chevy etc... EX..I don't like see a 33 Ford with a chevy engine or a Ford engine in a Camaro. If a pantera had a chevy when first made OK then a chevy... If the new pantera has a Chevy then so be it... I would like it to stay Ford and if I own the company it would. Most people who do put chevys into Fords do it for one reason... It's cheep to do.

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It's cheep to do

Your Right, I did it because it was INEXPENSIVE to do it. Also the LS motor is arguably, one of the best designed push-rod motors you can get. Where else can you get new car reliability, new car drive-ability, an AWESOME fit, 410lbs and 480 powerhouse to boot.

And I'm with you, I would never put a Chevy in a Ford or a Ford in a Chevy. That is just blasphemy. I would however put an American made V8 in a DeTomaso...

Scott, I have to agree with you. The Pantera is a hybrid in the chassis/engine sense (not in the Toyota Prius sense). It is one manufacturer's chassis with another manufacturer's engine. Sure, Ford owned a controlling interest in DeTomaso for a few years but that doesn't mean the Pantera is a Ford any more than Ferrari's are Fiats, Lamborghini's are Audi's or Bugatti's are VW's. Ford enthusiasts buy Pantera's because they have Ford engines but not all Pantera owners are Ford "guys". At the time I was building a new engine for my Pantera, I decided a Ford based motor was the way to go (Fontana block, SVO heads, IR EFI, etc.). At the time, I felt it was the best option for me. Then Chevy came out with the LS7 and I felt sick that I'd just invested three or four times the cost of an LS7, in my Ford based motor. The LS7 was, and still is, the pinnacle of pushrod engine development. Furthermore, an ECU change, a cam change and free flow exhaust pick-up close to 100 Hp over stock. The most complicated aspect of the swap is dealing with the engine's dry-sump lubrication system. The LS3 has a wet sump, so it's an easier conversion. If I was to do it over, an LS7 conversion is the way I'd go, without a doubt. Naturally, I'd have some custom billet valve covers made with the DeTomaso logo machined into them (just like the ones I have on my Ford motor). Then, there's that cool Kinsler carbon fiber cross-ram intake for the LS motors . . . Anyone want to buy a Fontana aluminum block, C302B head, solid roller cam, IR EFI Pantera motor ? ? ? ! ! !

Regardless of brand: Your engine looks ultra cool!

Mikael, I wish that was my engine! It's a Chevy LS engine with a Kinsler crossram intake manifold. Sure would look great in a Pantera !

"Speed is just a question of money"