Cayman,
The accelerator cable and spring should be replaced.
The intake gaskets seems they used the factory metal turkey pan and neoprene gaskets for the rails. Replace them with High Perf aftermarket intake gaskets and silicone bead on the rails.
The valve cover gaskets I would install studs as factory on the Boss 302. Makes it simpler and use rubber gaskets instead of cork and the gasket stay in place. Copper coat one side so it sticks to the head ...makes it easy to remove the cover.
Ron
Ok I see know, I will check that this evening
The car has been restored 2 years ago.
After the restoration the car stayed in the garage til I bought it.
While I was buying it, i was in relation with the garage, it's call Gear head street customs in Indianapolis.
I told them I have a leak and they answered it could not be the the gaskets...they are pretty sure.
Anyway I have a lot of points to check...can't wait to see that.
The car has been restored 2 years ago.
After the restoration the car stayed in the garage til I bought it.
While I was buying it, i was in relation with the garage, it's call Gear head street customs in Indianapolis.
I told them I have a leak and they answered it could not be the the gaskets...they are pretty sure.
Anyway I have a lot of points to check...can't wait to see that.
Here I am
Yesterday evening I started to work on the pantera looking for the leak.
I cleaned up places where oil was, then took a ride of 25 minutes.
A first stop after 15 minutes : As I cleaned up, I could see that almost nothing came back, engine was running.
After 25 minutes : Engine shut off : Oil came back during the second part of my ride
---While the engine was running during my first stop, it was impossible for me to localise any leak. By the way what is the normal temperature of the engine ?
--- Front of the engine : Nothing, it’s all dry
--- Oil pressure sender : it doesn’t appear to be bend, there is very very few oil at the bottom
But still have lot of oil at his foot, where it forms like a “bath”.
--- Dip stick connection at the front : dry
--- Gaskets : Valve covers and intake, little bit of oil but didn’t see anything leaking when the engine was running. I have a feeling it’s not coming from them whereas there is some gaps. (it’s confirm by the garage : see the previous post).
The gap on the intake at the right of the oil pressure sender : not much oil on it.
--- Hoses of the oil filters (from and to) : Clean
--- Remote oil filter : Behind driver's seat : Clean
--- Bolts of valve covers : Yesterday I only had the time to check one (girlfriend calling me), ……….it was really loose !! So I will check all of them later when my girlfriend will get out shopping…lol.
To conclude :
What is wet by oil : Valve covers / the bottom of the big flat steel plate of the carb (full of oil) / “bath” at the feet of oil pressure sender / my back window (indirect) / some hoses but it’s indirect spray too.
What is dry : Oil pressure sender, the entire carburator, gaskets (almost dry), front of the engine, Intake.
I hope I’m not asking too much from you guys, I know I will have to handle this myself but since I didn’t see anything leaking while the engine was running, I’m a little bit confuse.
New pictures of the engine : Go to see, it can help !
http://picasaweb.google.com/10...soEngine?feat=email#
Yesterday evening I started to work on the pantera looking for the leak.
I cleaned up places where oil was, then took a ride of 25 minutes.
A first stop after 15 minutes : As I cleaned up, I could see that almost nothing came back, engine was running.
After 25 minutes : Engine shut off : Oil came back during the second part of my ride
---While the engine was running during my first stop, it was impossible for me to localise any leak. By the way what is the normal temperature of the engine ?
--- Front of the engine : Nothing, it’s all dry
--- Oil pressure sender : it doesn’t appear to be bend, there is very very few oil at the bottom
But still have lot of oil at his foot, where it forms like a “bath”.
--- Dip stick connection at the front : dry
--- Gaskets : Valve covers and intake, little bit of oil but didn’t see anything leaking when the engine was running. I have a feeling it’s not coming from them whereas there is some gaps. (it’s confirm by the garage : see the previous post).
The gap on the intake at the right of the oil pressure sender : not much oil on it.
--- Hoses of the oil filters (from and to) : Clean
--- Remote oil filter : Behind driver's seat : Clean
--- Bolts of valve covers : Yesterday I only had the time to check one (girlfriend calling me), ……….it was really loose !! So I will check all of them later when my girlfriend will get out shopping…lol.
To conclude :
What is wet by oil : Valve covers / the bottom of the big flat steel plate of the carb (full of oil) / “bath” at the feet of oil pressure sender / my back window (indirect) / some hoses but it’s indirect spray too.
What is dry : Oil pressure sender, the entire carburator, gaskets (almost dry), front of the engine, Intake.
I hope I’m not asking too much from you guys, I know I will have to handle this myself but since I didn’t see anything leaking while the engine was running, I’m a little bit confuse.
New pictures of the engine : Go to see, it can help !
http://picasaweb.google.com/10...soEngine?feat=email#
Couple of things come to mind:
1: missing gasket on valve cover breather, this will leak all over the cover and be thrown by air pressure all over the front of the engine and seep to the oil sender downstream.
2: Possible high crankcase pressure, with engine running and breather off, feel opening with hand, should be pretty neutral not greatly positive. These are the symptoms you are showing
3. I would change the oil pressure sending unit
4. I would not hesitate on replacing the throttle cable, get the last series with the built in spring, you will also need the carb bracket for that or trim the cable ends by about a quarter inch each.
5. If you are using a PCValve, check it and the vacuum circuit.
6. See number 4
7. IMHO
Good luck
Angelo
1: missing gasket on valve cover breather, this will leak all over the cover and be thrown by air pressure all over the front of the engine and seep to the oil sender downstream.
2: Possible high crankcase pressure, with engine running and breather off, feel opening with hand, should be pretty neutral not greatly positive. These are the symptoms you are showing
3. I would change the oil pressure sending unit
4. I would not hesitate on replacing the throttle cable, get the last series with the built in spring, you will also need the carb bracket for that or trim the cable ends by about a quarter inch each.
5. If you are using a PCValve, check it and the vacuum circuit.
6. See number 4
7. IMHO
Good luck
Angelo
Angelo,Thanks for your answer
1 : On valve cover breather, gasket is not missing. I took it off for the picture. But in my opinion this whole piece is very loose, when I took it off it was very easy to do so. I just had to turn the aluminium cover 1/2 tour, we can see on the picture how it's fix on the valve cover.
The gasket is not even tight between the 2 surfaces.
As you say, the leak could come from there and also from the other side : PCValve
I have only one hose on passenger side going to the carb, no hose on the driver cap side, this a
is just a aluminium cap. I understand it's better to make the right circuit, I will start to look for parts.
I am going to clean the engine, put a piece of tissue on each valve covers. Take a ride : if oil is on the tissues and not all over the engine....I will know.
PS : I have already replaced the accelerator cable yesterday but just with a regular cable, it's already a lot better but I will certainly change it again for the last series.
1 : On valve cover breather, gasket is not missing. I took it off for the picture. But in my opinion this whole piece is very loose, when I took it off it was very easy to do so. I just had to turn the aluminium cover 1/2 tour, we can see on the picture how it's fix on the valve cover.
The gasket is not even tight between the 2 surfaces.
As you say, the leak could come from there and also from the other side : PCValve
I have only one hose on passenger side going to the carb, no hose on the driver cap side, this a
is just a aluminium cap. I understand it's better to make the right circuit, I will start to look for parts.
I am going to clean the engine, put a piece of tissue on each valve covers. Take a ride : if oil is on the tissues and not all over the engine....I will know.
PS : I have already replaced the accelerator cable yesterday but just with a regular cable, it's already a lot better but I will certainly change it again for the last series.
Some news,
It's not the valve cover breather because I have checked that this week end, putting tissue on it and go for a ride = All dry on both of them.
Next try : On each red valve cover, there is a place where we can put a de tomaso logo plate. I don't have it so the space is free and there are 2 little holes on each to fix those plates...it would really surprise if nothing is there to "close" those holes. But it really could be that when I see where is the oil...
It's not the valve cover breather because I have checked that this week end, putting tissue on it and go for a ride = All dry on both of them.
Next try : On each red valve cover, there is a place where we can put a de tomaso logo plate. I don't have it so the space is free and there are 2 little holes on each to fix those plates...it would really surprise if nothing is there to "close" those holes. But it really could be that when I see where is the oil...
Just to let you know, finally it was the holes on the covers (my last message)....I could'nt believe it !
It's crazy.
So I'm looking to close them, maybe with rubber seals
It's crazy.
So I'm looking to close them, maybe with rubber seals
Weren't those plates screwed on? If so, install screws.
The two tiny holes that he speaks may have been for the spark plug wire supports, at least that's what they are if these are original Ford covers...not aftermarkets.
They were originally small rivets....
Good find!!!! I was going for the bad rubber gasket under the rear intake, right hand side myself!!!
Steve
They were originally small rivets....
Good find!!!! I was going for the bad rubber gasket under the rear intake, right hand side myself!!!
Steve