Johnny, all,
Just looked at this thread again....easy to do...and I noticed some bits that I had missed earlier!
This is the first car I have seen (or been able to see...) the clamps retaining the heater hoses to the firewall, and the clamp for the AC hose on the top of the compressor!
How did you finish the edges on the air cleaner tubing clamps???? Bead blasting or ??? Then plated? I was thinking some stainless....but hard to finish the edges...!
Ciao!
Steve
Hi Steve,
The clamps holding the water hoses to the bulkhead and the one on top of the AC compressor are correct.
I dont think the induction hoses where originally clamped to the air cleaner body but I felt it looked unfinished so I took some large stainless hose clamps and reduced the length and TIG welded them back together so that there was very little thread remaining, that way I could hide the thread and screw underneath. I then polished the top side of the clamp and ground the underside so that I could clue a strip of skinned neoprene that was slightly wider than the clamp to get it to bulge either side and look like it was meant to be there.
This is the type of skinned neoprene I use a lot in my restorations. It's very soft and fills gaps.
http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/...ed-sponge-strip.aspx
Johnny
The clamps holding the water hoses to the bulkhead and the one on top of the AC compressor are correct.
I dont think the induction hoses where originally clamped to the air cleaner body but I felt it looked unfinished so I took some large stainless hose clamps and reduced the length and TIG welded them back together so that there was very little thread remaining, that way I could hide the thread and screw underneath. I then polished the top side of the clamp and ground the underside so that I could clue a strip of skinned neoprene that was slightly wider than the clamp to get it to bulge either side and look like it was meant to be there.
This is the type of skinned neoprene I use a lot in my restorations. It's very soft and fills gaps.
http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk/...ed-sponge-strip.aspx
Johnny
Oops, I meant not the clamps at the air cleaner tube ends, but the "support" clamps that hold the paper tube up at mid points along the length!
Did you bead blast these and then have them dipped (galvanized etc?)
STeve
Did you bead blast these and then have them dipped (galvanized etc?)
STeve
Hi Steve,
I made these clamps from mild steel and then had then yellow zinc plated. I finished them with a powerfile before plating. This is how they where originally except they would have been zinc only, no yellow passive.
Johnny
I made these clamps from mild steel and then had then yellow zinc plated. I finished them with a powerfile before plating. This is how they where originally except they would have been zinc only, no yellow passive.
Johnny
deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
quote:Originally posted by Johnny Woods:
Pic 79. These gullwing safety latches are not original but the owner wanted to keep them so I had them replated.
Hey Johnny , here is interesting detail! The secondary latches are in the Mangusta parts book !
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The extra latch at the forward bottom of each wing was an original feature of the later cars. The tell tale is if the wing has a sheet metal loop catch welded to the forward bottom of each hatch opening. Not sure of what numbered car this feature started. 718 has no sign of this and 1302 has the latch connections on the wings, but no actual latch to secure it! Again Italian consistency at it's finest!
Denis/Mike, I stand corrected! I am so glad I didn't remove them now. I had not seen them on another goose and the brackets under the latch have a very home made look about them!
Johnny
Johnny
Hi all sorry for the previous fails with the photos and I hope a moderator can remove the offending articles! I think this shot should be OK and show the bracket that the latch hooks onto.
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If you are ever looking for some Mangusta parts feel free to email me as i have some available...mikedmayberry@hotmail.com
My goose has brackets that look like the one posted above by 69goose.
Also, like 69goose, my car has no latch to hook onto these loop connectors/brackets.
Were there originally safety latches as Johnny has posted that hook onto these brackets ( 42-45 on parts diagram do look pretty convincing)
If so, can someone post a photo of an original latch?
Also, like 69goose, my car has no latch to hook onto these loop connectors/brackets.
Were there originally safety latches as Johnny has posted that hook onto these brackets ( 42-45 on parts diagram do look pretty convincing)
If so, can someone post a photo of an original latch?
Hi my car 650 does not have these safety brackets, I think the early cars didn’t have them but don’t know what number they were first fitted too?
Richard
Richard
quote:Originally posted by vyprgt2:quote:Originally posted by vyprgt2:quote:Originally posted by vyprgt2:quote:Originally posted by Johnny Woods:
Pic 89
Is the yellow a/c fan placed in more or less the correct place in Johnny's example photo(toward the driver's side of center, on the forward side of the condenser)? Some cars have it on the other side of the condenser and more centered....
Also, is the Mangusta fan the same one used in the Pantera ?
vypr...
Yes, the fan is basically in the same location...it needs to clear the spare tire & bracket that you see there also.
The yellow blade fan is likely the same as the Pantera, but not all Mangusta's received the full shrouded yellow bladed assy.
Most got a minimal mounting system made of all thread bent where bends were required, and welded to a fan bracket. Fan motor may have been similar to one of the radiator fan motors.... but blade assy was a 6-ish bladed plain (sorta clear) plastic with smaller vanes.
Note nuts and large washers in fins of the condenser! You can just make out threaded rod welded to fan retainer at about the 4:00 position of the motor.
Yes, the fan is basically in the same location...it needs to clear the spare tire & bracket that you see there also.
The yellow blade fan is likely the same as the Pantera, but not all Mangusta's received the full shrouded yellow bladed assy.
Most got a minimal mounting system made of all thread bent where bends were required, and welded to a fan bracket. Fan motor may have been similar to one of the radiator fan motors.... but blade assy was a 6-ish bladed plain (sorta clear) plastic with smaller vanes.
Note nuts and large washers in fins of the condenser! You can just make out threaded rod welded to fan retainer at about the 4:00 position of the motor.
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Richard, the safety brackets are one of the precious mysteries of the Goose, they show up on this car and on the parts drawing...but it seems really not anywhere else.
Vyprgt2, I cannot be dead sure what was built in the last days of the Mangusta, but most were built using the white small fan blade that is used for the left side radiator, a Motocraft motor and a bracket made of all-thread rod...These continued at least until what was on my car (8ma1076). Attached is a picture of the Bordinath car, which I'm guessing is (as the rest of the car appears) as it left from the factory...
Vyprgt2, I cannot be dead sure what was built in the last days of the Mangusta, but most were built using the white small fan blade that is used for the left side radiator, a Motocraft motor and a bracket made of all-thread rod...These continued at least until what was on my car (8ma1076). Attached is a picture of the Bordinath car, which I'm guessing is (as the rest of the car appears) as it left from the factory...
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Lee,
Your statement should be "as it left Ford"....as Bordinath modified a lot of the car using later model parts as needed! ....or perhaps parts that appeared on later Ford cars!!!
The collapsible spare tire is not a DeTomaso feature.... I think it also had a Ford air cleaner with a chrome lid, ala 351C cars...IIRC.
Cheers!
Your statement should be "as it left Ford"....as Bordinath modified a lot of the car using later model parts as needed! ....or perhaps parts that appeared on later Ford cars!!!
The collapsible spare tire is not a DeTomaso feature.... I think it also had a Ford air cleaner with a chrome lid, ala 351C cars...IIRC.
Cheers!
Steve, you remember this well..!
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deniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
Bordinat did do some alterations to 8MA1196, but the AC fan lloks pretty much the same as on 8MA1114, (http://markscars.ca/Photo_Galleries/Pages/Mangusta_1114.html#45)
8MA1216 (http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/R8MA1216/R8MA1216.asp)
and 8MA1244
I do believe the early cars had the same fans as the front radiator mounted on threaded rods, but the later production definitely had the yellow fans later used on the Pantera using a small shroud to increase the flow.
8MA1216 (http://www.provamo.com/Members/Registry/RegistryImages/R8MA1216/R8MA1216.asp)
and 8MA1244
I do believe the early cars had the same fans as the front radiator mounted on threaded rods, but the later production definitely had the yellow fans later used on the Pantera using a small shroud to increase the flow.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeA:
Richard, the safety brackets are one of the precious mysteries of the Goose, they show up on this car and on the parts drawing...but it seems really not anywhere else.
My car has the bracket as shown in post 104 on each wing.
On closer inspection (now that I know what I'm looking for and where), I found clear impressions of the rectangular brackets which originally must have held the latches on the engine bay walls.
Richard, the safety brackets are one of the precious mysteries of the Goose, they show up on this car and on the parts drawing...but it seems really not anywhere else.
My car has the bracket as shown in post 104 on each wing.
On closer inspection (now that I know what I'm looking for and where), I found clear impressions of the rectangular brackets which originally must have held the latches on the engine bay walls.
John, where was my head when I owned a junk Goose? I was so discouraged with rust everywhere even on the underside of the roof, I sold the hulk to your countryman Roger! I understand he now has it back together & running.
'Course, shipping plus the $100,000+ USD it would have cost to get your level of restoration was also out of my reach. BRAVO for your work!
J DeRyke
'Course, shipping plus the $100,000+ USD it would have cost to get your level of restoration was also out of my reach. BRAVO for your work!
J DeRyke
John, I'm curious, what is your chassis number ? Lee
quote:Originally posted by vyprgt2:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeeA:
Richard, the safety brackets are one of the precious mysteries of the Goose, they show up on this car and on the parts drawing...but it seems really not anywhere else.
My car has the bracket as shown in post 104 on each wing.
On closer inspection (now that I know what I'm looking for and where), I found clear impressions of the rectangular brackets which originally must have held the latches on the engine bay walls.
I just got ambitious and looked at the late Geese on provamo
Lo and behold 1288 and 1242 clearly have safety latches !
www.provamo.com/Members/Regist...8MA1242/R8MA1242.asp
wow, good eye ! Especially, with so much going on in 1288...
(and Nate, 1242 has a pleated headliner, and Mike, no leather on the Ferrero steering wheel...).
What is the earliest car found with the safety latches ?
(and Nate, 1242 has a pleated headliner, and Mike, no leather on the Ferrero steering wheel...).
What is the earliest car found with the safety latches ?
quote:Originally posted by LeeA:
wow, good eye ! Especially, with so much going on in 1288...
(and Nate, 1242 has a pleated headliner, and Mike, no leather on the Ferrero steering wheel...).
What is the earliest car found with the safety latches ?
so far, the earliest I have found is 1116 with wing brackets to accept latches
1256 has wing brackets
1136, 1242, 1288 have latches (also 1182, which is the subject car of this thread)
There are at least three that I know of without leather on the steering wheel
This is 898
This is 898
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Since all Mangustas newer than #1136 were detail-completed in Germany, maybe the safety latches are a Mercedes or BMW part? Such extras could have been added by POs over 50 yrs.
Heiko Ostmann's class winning race Mangusta #1052 lost a rear cover during competition, DNF-ing that event (Silverstone?) So rear cover safety latches seem worth installing. Note- Heiko still won the 2009 C.E.R World Championship in GT-1 against GT-40s, Lolas, Ferraris and others.
Heiko Ostmann's class winning race Mangusta #1052 lost a rear cover during competition, DNF-ing that event (Silverstone?) So rear cover safety latches seem worth installing. Note- Heiko still won the 2009 C.E.R World Championship in GT-1 against GT-40s, Lolas, Ferraris and others.