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Well, I was warming up the Pantera today , happily anticipating a nice ride on a brisk but sunny Atlanta day. When I noticed a wisp of steam coming out of my left hood vent.

I replaced the original radiator 8 years ago with a Hall unit. Two years later it developed a leak. Pulled it and had a local radiator shop repair the leak. It is leaking again. I diligently replace the antifreeze every two years. It always comes out nice and green with no sign of corrosion etc.


My question is should I replace the radiator with something better (aluminum ) ? Or should I just repair it again ? Is six or so years all I can expect from a copper /brass unit before it will spring a leak ?

Thanks,
Jeff
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I am not sure about how long they should last but I would think 6 years would be well below life span. One very important step when changing coolant is to be sure ALL air is out of the system. This isnt helped by how difficult our cars are to burp. Any air flowing around in the system will cause erosion in the corners of the passages where the coolant changes direction. . I am not sure where yours started leaking but this might be something to check.

Blaine
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Originally posted by Pantera#4134:
Anyone have a bad experience with a Hall radiator?
Can someone recommend a good aftermarket radiator?


I have an aluminum rad from "Pantera Performance" (not sure if they manufacture or just re-badge it). Built like a brick sheet-house. Very nice welds.
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Originally posted by DannyOcean:
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Originally posted by Pantera#4134:
Anyone have a bad experience with a Hall radiator?
Can someone recommend a good aftermarket radiator?


I have an aluminum rad from "Pantera Performance" (not sure if they manufacture or just re-badge it). Built like a brick sheet-house. Very nice welds.


Same here, very happy with it.

Blaine
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Originally posted by PanteraTurbo:
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Originally posted by DannyOcean:
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Originally posted by Pantera#4134:
Anyone have a bad experience with a Hall radiator?
Can someone recommend a good aftermarket radiator?


I have an aluminum rad from "Pantera Performance" (not sure if they manufacture or just re-badge it). Built like a brick sheet-house. Very nice welds.


Same here, very happy with it.

Blaine


I am pretty sure that the Pantera Performance radiators are made by Ron Davis Radiator in Phoenix Arizona. I have had one of the three pass lay down ones for quite a while and I am happy with it.
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Anyone using the Fluidine model? I was surprised to see them from Summit @ $ 488.00


Yep, that's where I got mine and the flexalite puller fans plus an adjustable t-stat to control them. I'm very happy with it all so far, runs right at 185 and I have a 185 t-stat. Yesterday I was at a local SCCA event on the track and working it hard not even a slight increase in temp. Wish I could say the same for the brakes as they faded on me, that's the next upgrade.

If you don't intend to use the two original type fan switches you'll need to order a 22mm x 1.5 (I think I remember the size correctly) plug for what will be the spare boss on the radiator as well.

Julian
I have a custom radiator from Dennis Quella. It is based on his normal design, but is a single pass radiator. I feel it reduces speed through the radiator and reduces restriction. I can idle for extended periods with just one fan and on really hot days, both fans will allow it to idle indefinately. If you want a single pass design, just ask for the Dave Doddek radiator.
Jeff,

I'll play "devil's advocate" and go against current Pantera-think concerning radiators. Stick with a stock style copper-brass radiator. I should last 20 years or more. I just replaced mine 2 years ago and expect another 30 years of service from the new unit. Aluminum is not "better," just different. Automotive manufacturers switched to aluminum because it's cheaper, not because it works better. A traditional copper-brass radiator can be fixed by any radiator shop or service station across the country if necessary. The same can't be said for an aluminum radiator.

My car consistently runs cool with the stock style radiator, rebuilt stock cooling fan motors, and Cortina fan blades. It doesn't matter if it's a 105-degree day and I'm in stop and go traffic, or cruising at 90 mph for 45 minutes straight.

FWIW - Several of the vendors I spoke to no longer sell Aluminum radiators due to problems with leaking. I bought my radiator from PPC-Reno.

Here are pics of my radiator compartment refresh, done at the same time I replaced the radiator:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6450045562...420018144#6420018144
All,
Thank you for your replies. I have come to the conclusion that I am going to pull the current radiator and have it repaired. This Hall radiator cools great even with stock style fans.
I found the previous repair and it was actually 8 years ago. I guess that is not too bad all things considered. This might be just prolonging an eventual replacement, but it saves some $$$ today for the 10" Campys I want this year !
I like that the aluminum radiator was considerably lighter than the brass/copper original, but now after only 4 years of only driving in the summer the Fluidize is leaking. I went to the Fluidize Webster and found others with leaking problems, the warrantee is 1 year so no factory fix. Anybody know if an aluminum radiator can be repaired?
Thanks, Jon
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