PANTERA PRICE'S ?

I think the Pantera is more of a bargain than ever. The prices have only gone up very slightly and the US dollar has dropped much more. Personally, I think the whole collector car market is due for another major melt-down, but Panteras haven't gone stupid like so much Detroit iron, so I don't expect any big drop in prices for us. As you observe, the big money now is in Europe and Asia, not here.

MARK I agree with you, however i hope that the DETROIT IRON doesn't melt down to soon as i have a 69 "R" code MACH 1 i will be looking to sell in the spring. It should be VERY interesting to see what kind of price's the BARRETT JACKSON auction bring's this year!

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
Personally, I think the whole collector car market is due for another major melt-down, but Panteras haven't gone stupid like so much Detroit iron, so I don't expect any big drop in prices for us.

I agree, there is some "dark clouds" in the collector car market.

Buying a classic car only for investment reasons, is the wrong reason for me. I guess the most of us on the forum bought a Pantera because we wanted one (badly..) - not only as a investment.

I think Pantera prices will go through the roof, but mainly because the dollr will be worthless. You will see 125,000 dollar Panteras but $45,000 Honda Accords. Panteras will be about 10,000 euros and guys over there will buy them as parts cars. Meanwhile over here we will be ridding bicycles to work at walmart.

Detom, HI. You are certainly an optimist aren't you? [Just kidding] But seriously yes the dollar is taking a beating, which bring's up another question....
What is the general concensus as to why the dollar is so weak? Yes inflation and especially the price of fossil fuel [in the form of gasoline price's / home heating oil price's and of course all the add on surcharge's from the various companie's [re] the electric company
etc] My 2 cent's worth [i don't mean to sound like a hater but!] is that a lot of the problem's can be attributed to the MILLION'S of illegal's working off the book's for cash money
while the [greedy] companie's that employ them reap all the benefit's of their labor and not having to pay any taxe's / medical or any other type of insurance for them [who pay's for this when they need medical help etc??
YOU AND ME THAT'S WHO.
Add the fact that a very large percentage of these illegal's are sending MOST of their earning's out of the country, thereby draining money from our economy because the government has to print more money to replace that money which in turn make's it worth that much less.
SORRY for the rant, but it is what it is?
ANY OTHER OPINION'S?

I agree, John. This country isnot going to be defeated by aggression...our politcos are giving it away.

just my deflated $.02

With Italian style, high performance American muscle reliability, and rarity you would think means more value down the road. As long as the style spells "wow exotic", then I think prices will be high. It also depends on right place at the right time, right person. This is all just crystal ball stuff...I recall in high school my hillbilly upstate NY buddies driving around drunk and crashing into things with their Hemi Cudas, and driving on the salty snowy roads (if they only knew then what we know now). In my opinion advertising our cars doesn't do much either, but drive it around, and you see people drule and money talk comes pouring out. I think when people see our cars in person it blows their minds and the myths and bad rap goes out the window. I would think cars that are 100% stock and those that are on the other extreme of highly modified well built cars will bring the money...lets face it, some day we will all need nursing home money , I look forward to having Bambi looking after me

As a side note Barrett Jackson has accepted fewer cars this year...apparently they might be expecting less money to be spent on lesser cars as the caliber of cars has improved over last year as well.

DELOREANS, HI. If indeed BARRETT JACKSON has fewer car's on auction this year, personally I think that is due to their [accepting only car's with NO RESERVE] policy. With the economy the way it is and the price's being what they are [off] it would be very easy for seller's
to get "screwed" ESPECIALLY if they got a less than desireable time slot for the sale. Maybe the seller's are wising up to the
'no reserve policy".
JOHN

We have a Kruse Auto auction in February. George Nitta's Pantera will be up for auction with from what I hear a high reserve. It should be interesting to see if and what it sells for.

http://www.kruse.com/auctions/hawaii08/index.asp

In the short run, regardless of what the rest of the market does, the Panteras will keep rising.

They are drastically "undervalued" compared to just about everything else.

Cars are going overseas becasue of that and the dollar valuation. I'm not a believer in cheap dollars. It doesn't help me with anything that I want.

As far as the world economy, the US is going to be more stable then most other places. Mainland China is the wildcard because of the size of the population and what even meeger gains do to the rest of the world.
The major threat to the dollar is what oil is traded in. If more and more countries trade it in Euros then a Mexican Peso will eventually be worth more.

Keep in mind that the only people that will complain that a Pantera costs $150,000 for a driver are the people who don't have one. I think the people that stuffed 454 Chevies in and cut the roofs off to fit their surf boards in, will also be unhappy.

Just my 1.5 cents worth.

Wow! I made that many posts? I should get a life!

People are unsure/afraid of things they don't know about. Very few people know about Panteras.
They have a bad reputation. Electrical, cooling, RUST....They are looked down upon by most purebread Italian marques. They are ignored by the Detroit iron crown because they're Italian. They are the bastard children of the car world.
It will be tough for our cars to rise in value because you can now buy a low mileage Viper or Z06 for $30k. Our beautiful cats cannot compete with modern technology.
I don't care though. If the value was that of Hemi-Cuda, then I wouldn't have been able to buy one (actually 2).
My 2 cents

In the 30 plus years I've owned a Pantera, Pantera owners have always claimed the cars are way underpriced. Then when the price starts to go up, they complain that they are getting too expensive for us "average Joe" owners.

IMHO, it would be nice to see some appreciation; it would help justify some of the cost of restoring the cars which, in turn, would help keep our vendors going, etc.

The truth for me, and probably for most of us, is that I love the car in spite of, and because of, its faults. I don't want a Z06 or a Viper. In real dollars, my car is probably only worth, today, about as much as I paid for it way back when. This means all the money I've spent restoring/maintaining/insuring the car is an unrecovered cost. But I don't care, I plan to keep driving mine for as long as it takes for prices to go up.

I'm with you, Jeff. I would have to keep my car for another 100 yrs to see its price rise to match what I've invested in it. But fortunately I didn't do it for the money.

As for Vipers and Z06s, they're nice reliable performance cars and are great fun to drive. But they don't come close to the Pantera. Neither does anything else.

Like a friend of mine said while scanning all the Ferraris and Lambos at Monterrey "...they look like a box of Smarties spilled out in the grass - all exactly the same, just in different colors."

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Originally posted by deeb:
"...they look like a box of Smarties spilled out in the grass - all exactly the same, just in different colors."

Not even, sometimes.

""As for Vipers and Z06s, they're nice reliable performance cars and are great fun to drive. But they don't come close to the Pantera. Neither does anything else""

I agree with you guys. I love my Pantera, but the original question relates to why our cars have not gone up like other cars. Most people (that don't own a Pantera) don't feel the same way as us. That's why they they go out and buy the Vipers and Vettes for much less money, IMHO.

Hey Mark. Is that picture "photo-shopped" or is that an actual unaltered pic?
That, right there, explains why I bought a Pantera!

The largest contributing factor to the value of the cars over time is a very active, visual club like SAAC.
It is harder to do with basically only a couple of models but things like this forum help.

If you think about the Vegas run then you know that there is solid support for at least the Pantera and the Mangusta.

Publicity at a national level helps a lot. Car values are like currency values in that they are only backed by consumer confidence.

The greater of the illusion that there is something there the better.

There really isn't anything on the right coast to come close to Vegas. The Pocono event doesn't get much press.

The solution is just a lot of little things over time and there is no way to add race history to the marque.

Detomaso should have been nicer to Henry way back. After all if you look at it, it has been Fords money all along that sponsered the successes in the Ford family.

Hells bells boys. All it would take is for a single Pantera to be really featured in a movie like Bullitt or gone in sixty seconds and you won't be able to touch a Pantera anywhere for less than a hundred grand.

Pulled my post, second thoughts, sorry everyone, this is no place for a camaro!

This is a great time to have or purchase a PANTERA. Our out of the USA, brothers see their value and are ready to pay up, for the finest examples. You can still ferret out very nice cars that need little other than cosmetics, because the owner over spent and needs to sell. Current example; 7 year project with over $75k spent purchased for $35k! My $.02 , you don't plan on selling high, you negotiate better. JD

It's not just the Pantera that doesent bring the right money. Look at the Jensen Healy, Delorean, Bricklin. They are all hybreds that don't bring the same kind of money as equivilent factory cars. I bought mine because thats what I wanted, not to make money on. What ever I lose in money I more that have made up in fun.
Richard T.

I don't think those cars have any real world comparison to a Pantera. I doubt any of them will ever be very valuable, desired or respected.

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Originally posted by RichardT:
It's not just the Pantera that doesent bring the right money. Look at the Jensen Healy, Delorean, Bricklin. They are all hybreds that don't bring the same kind of money as equivilent factory cars. I bought mine because thats what I wanted, not to make money on. What ever I lose in money I more that have made up in fun.
Richard T.

We can call them 'POWERED BY FORD' cars; COBRAS, TIGERS, MANGUSTAS, PANTERAS, AND BRICKLINS. All share similar heritage. 1st is at it's zenith now. Next is just showing life. The next is coming on strong (because most have few changes). Next needs more press and will be hurt by over personification, and last is the next LAMBORGHINI MUIRA. JD

Did I read that correctly?

The Bricklin is the next Miura? That's a pretty radical assertion that I can't see happening because the Miura is really low and sexy, has an Italian V12, has lineage and rarity (765 vs 3000 or so). I think it's a pretty cool car,but I wouldn't hoard them as investments any more than I would a Pantera.

I knew that would get a comment. A CANADIAN? CANADA's only car COMPANY = BRICKLIN. Correct? JD

I'm with Detom, all you have to see is this car predominantly featured in a TV show or movie & the popularity will rise causing the price to go up due to increased demand.
Look what happened to the Ferrari 308 because it was shown on Magnum PI.
Tom

First of all if we want recognition we have to get out and drive the cars. Too many are sleeping in garages and scared to go on an outing with them. It's funny no one thinks about their daily driver breaking down or doing a couple of hundred miles with them, but when it comes to the Pantera too far,too this too that. If WE don't take them out to be noticed how can we expect others to desire something they never saw? For 2008 I suggest on the east coast at least, to be at Pocono, Kingston, Niagra Falls and what ever other events there are and show these wonderful machines Rob6145

Well, I don't post much. Read alot of posts. So, I guess I may have earned the right to go a little longer here.

Pantera prices and value ....

1) The post started with a comment on The American dollar: The dollar cannot keep its value when the U.S. runs an annual deficit of between 500 Bllion and 1 Trillion dollars. When the U.S. borrows money like that (to finance a war in Iraq) it doesn't help the currency's value. The price of oil and other commodities have not gone up as much as the US greenback has gone down because those commodities have been traditionally priced in US dollars.

The lower priced US dollar has been good to those like me who buy DeTomaso parts. It makes it more affordable.

2) Investing in automobiles: When I look at the bottom line, if I wanted an investment I would have looked elsewhere. I remember watching an interview with Reggie Jackson (Car guy, Ex NY Yankee slugger, Mr. October etc.) at a Barret-Jackson in the late 80's or early 90's. His advice rang deep with me: "Buy the car you want because you like and want to drive the car..."

3) A hobby: Hobbies are not for the monetary value but for the enjoyment. I'm on the same side as deeb, jeff6559 et al. - I probably will never get the money back for the amount I have put into my car (just like any other of my hobbies) - Mainly because it will never be sold in my lifetime.

4) Reputation: I am with you 4NHOTROD. ALL DeTomaso's to my eye, are among the most beautiful Italian cars (Vallelunga, Mangusta, Pantera models etc.). Sight unseen, among the average guy, they have NO reputation or a mixed to poor one. As said, people are afraid of the unknown.

I have seen many a car "expert" claim that the Miura was the first mid-engine production car. That is controversial. I believe the DeTomaso Vallelunga was the first. How many know this? How many know that the guy that designed the Mazda Miata used styling cues from the DeTomaso Vallelunga he owned?

Secondly, on a flight from L.A. to Toronto, I had the pleasure to sit beside a well known Hollywood actor and his daughter. I found out that he was a car guy. When I mentioned I had a DeTomaso Pantera his immediate reaction was, "That car is hot to drive in - it didn't have A/C.". It was a reputation DeTomaso earned by putting on the market, cars that were not fully sorted out.

5) I am not sure if a Ford engined car is a major hinderance to value or marque recognition. Lotus used Ford engines in their Elan, Elise, Europa, Esprit ... Shelby used Ford engines in his Cobras. The average guy knows a Lotus, Cobra etc. The issue, in my view is marque/make recognition.

6) There is confusion between make and model. To the average guy is the Pantera a DeTomaso or a Ford? What is a Pantera? We may not be clear on the type of car we talk about. Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Lamborghini etc are makes. A Ferrari 355 is a model - as is a BMW M5. Unfortunately some people confuse the two when they talk about a car. Dare I say, there are some NOT very good Ferrari, Mercedes, BMWs etc models out there. But they get lost in the "Make wash" of all Ferraris are .... well Ferraris. There are great Ford cars (GT-40, GT, 69 Boss Mustang, etc.) and some not so great Ford cars.

DeTomaso is not a well known marque. period.

Saying it is a Pantera only gets a "Yes, its a Ford !, Ford sold the cars in 71-74 !". Don't bother trying to explain the confusion over the marque/model - their eyes just glaze over. So, what is a Pantera? To me, I am proud to say it is a DeTomaso. Just as an Espada is a Lamborghini or a Ghibli is a Maserati.

I am with Rob146 here. We need to drive our cars as often as we can. This will help in marque recognition - setting aside model recognition.

7) Finally, I have owned my DeTomaso since 1990. I have to get it appraised often for insurance purposes. I have seen the appraised value rise and fall over the years. AND, I still own the car. I know what I have. I enjoy driving it and all of the pleasure it gives me to own it. It has afforded me the honour of meeting many of you - and that, as the VISA Ad says "Is priceless".

I certainly do respect everyones opinion. I don't tell people what to think or feel. Everybody buys one and keeps one for their own reasons.

I have to say that I don't believe anyone, so don't take it personally, when they make the general statement that "I don't care what it is worth".

When the time comes to move on to another car, for whatever reason, everyone will be trying to finance their new project with obtaining as much from their old love as possible. I've seen this over and over.

Maybe it won't be a falling out of love with the car? Maybe you will have some type of financial emergency where every cent could mean the difference between life and death? Maybe not for you but maybe for someone else that you need to help.

Whether or not you will admit it, you care what it is worth.

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Whether or not you will admit it, you care what it is worth.

I have some cars which will never be valuable and I will/have put more money in them then what they are worth....and I still keep an eye on prices. It's just part of what we do.

You are right, I do care what it is worth. A remark off the cuff because I have no intention of selling it. BUT, that is now. In the future who knows? I said the same thing about the camaro I have had for years, but now the time has come to sell it, I am very interested in what it is worth. I intend to use the pantera alot with no interest in keeping a perfect garage queen but if it increases in value while I'm using it I'll be a happy guy

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Originally posted by andriyko:
>>SNIPPED>>
Well, I don't post much. Read alot of posts. So, I guess I may have earned the right to go a little longer here.

Pantera prices and value ....

4) Reputation: I am with you 4NHOTROD. ALL DeTomaso's to my eye, are among the most beautiful Italian cars (Vallelunga, Mangusta, Pantera models etc.). Sight unseen, among the average guy, they have NO reputation or a mixed to poor one. As said, people are afraid of the unknown.

5) I am not sure if a Ford engined car is a major hinderance to value or marque recognition. Lotus used Ford engines in their Elan, Elise, Europa, Esprit ... Shelby used Ford engines in his Cobras. The average guy knows a Lotus, Cobra etc. The issue, in my view is marque/make recognition.

6) There is confusion between make and model. To the average guy is the Pantera a DeTomaso or a Ford? What is a Pantera? We may not be clear on the type of car we talk about. Ferrari, Mercedes, BMW, Lamborghini etc are makes.

DeTomaso is not a well known marque. period.


I am with Rob146 here. We need to drive our cars as often as we can. This will help in marque recognition - setting aside model recognition.

7) Finally, I have owned my DeTomaso since 1990. I have to get it appraised often for insurance purposes. I have seen the appraised value rise and fall over the years. AND, I still own the car. I know what I have. I enjoy driving it and all of the pleasure it gives me to own it. It has afforded me the honour of meeting many of you - and that, as the VISA Ad says "Is priceless".

I agree and well said. As an addition - and likely an unpopular one - the Pantera was given an early green-light for modification (some required, much not) which made them perhaps the original 'resto rod' but most assuredly NOT an 'original' de Tomaso.

The marque got masked. Markets need a standard value baseline; the Pantera kinda ventured off without one. Nowdays, I think this is why 'original' cars are starting to emerge as value leaders.

I say hold your head up high on the hybrid status, since it has serious value precedents. A Cobra and Tiger are 'hybrids' as would be any Iso (a late restored Grifo brought $225k at auction; more than a few over $100k) or a Monteverdi ("A WHAT???" says the public) as owned by car-guy extraordinairre Robert Lutz, who can buy what he wants. He says it's one of his favorite cars, 'becuase it's so driveable' referring to the servicing aspect.

The Pantera has the spec sheet to make it an investment, but as mentioned, it has gestated well beyond normal expectation.

I don't mind telling the world I paid $31grand for my car, and have put another $20+ in it while in pursuit of the 'hobby' aspect. I've enjoyed it a great deal. Sure, I could've gotten a 'turn key' or even 'better' car on day 1 with a check for same. Even though this mission was not for the money thats' for sure, I DEFINITELY DO CARE what it's worth.

Back on topic: Panteras will rise with the tide of the other 'known' makes or even obscure and highly prized hybrids. And fall right back wtih them, but at a lesser rate all around.

In 1990, I got $52,000 for a high #2 Pantera, just before the 'correction' of the market. In today's dollars, that'd be... well, I'm not that smart, but a lot more than $52grand.

A few Ferraris are touching their 1990 prices again. (MANY ARE NOT TOO) Some have well surpassed (Dinos).

My Pantera gets more looks than my Boxer, gets more questions, more acknowledgments (and I live in a small town) so I optimistically feel the value is "coming". I've been thinking that a while!

Get out there and show your car off. At least that'll raise the value to you. Isn't that what a hobby is?

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Hells bells boys. All it would take is for a single Pantera to be really featured in a movie like Bullitt or gone in sixty seconds and you won't be able to touch a Pantera anywhere for less than a hundred grand.

Absolutely!! And it would be after all the hype and recognition that someone would take Larry Finch's avitar Panthera model and produce the new Pantera. Doesn't anyone on the forum know a bigshot producer?
BTW, I'm for hire as a stunt driver.
Will

I've got a video camera. We can do a remake of "I am curious, yellow".

Wait my car is red. Ah...things just never seem to work out right for me.

I think over modification of the cars has taken the value down. Many have removed the "Detomaso" & "Pantera" scrip from the back of the cars so you can't even tell what kinda of car it is.
Its like they they made their own car. They just started with the Pantera as a shell to start with.
I think that has taken away a lot from the Detomaso marquee.

Mine has the "DeTomaso Pantera/GTS" in 5" tall letters down both rockers and people still ask me what it is. At a car show last fall I was asked if it was a kit car. Some mainstream exposure would certainly help.

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Mine has the "DeTomaso Pantera/GTS" in 5" tall letters down both rockers and people still ask me what it is.

That same thing happened to me at a stop light. I told the guy if he couldn't read the sign at this close of a range, he shouldn't be driving. Stop signs have smaller lettering.

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Originally posted by new & slow:
Many have removed the "Detomaso" & "Pantera" scrip from the back of the cars so you can't even tell what kinda of car it is.

I'm sure some of the early ones were removed because people got tired of responding the "what's a Panterd?".

I agree with most of what has been said, but I will add my two cents.

Panteras are, in most people's opinions, exotics. Part of the problem is that exotics are not popular right now. Its all about detroit iron, hemi cudas, z-28s, Shelbys, etc. Just look at B-J if you need proof. Sure they have the occasional exotic, but that's not where the hype is. If and when exotics come back into favor, the pantera will reap the benefit. A rising tide raises all ships.

Now, with that said, I will say that I do belive the day of the exotics is coming. Why? well, its a generational issue. You see, the baby boomers are driving detroit iron through the roof; reliving their childhoods if you will. I'm 37. To me, these muscle cars were just old junk when I was in high school. However, the Lamboghini Countach, the Porsche 930/911 Turbo and even Magnum's Ferrari were the cars I dreamed about owning. I think as wealth shifts from generation to generation you will see a shift in value.

Now to a few things I do not agree with. I don't think that modified Panteras are a problem simply because Panteras are expected to be modified. That was one of the reasons I wanted one. I didn't have to keep it original. Since a lot of exotics are hand built, what is original anyway. Many had running changes that aren't widely documented. The Ford engine is not at an issue. In fact it is a plus due to the ease of maintenance. There is an old saying: I can afford a Ferrari, but I can't afford to own a Ferrari. Not an issue with the Pantera.

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First of all if we want recognition we have to get out and drive the cars. Too many are sleeping in garages and scared to go on an outing with them. It's funny no one thinks about their daily driver breaking down or doing a couple of hundred miles with them, but when it comes to the Pantera too far,too this too that.

HEAR HEAR!!

I know of about 12 Panteras in the Fresno area, and I never see any of them on the road.

I, driving 150 miles, brought the ONLY Pantera at the PCNC Christmas Dinner. Wife Donna and I packed our bags and headed out. The rest of the members, some just minutes from the event, drove in their daily drivers.

Why, oh why?

Larry

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I, driving 150 miles, brought the ONLY Pantera at the PCNC Christmas Dinner... The rest of the members, some just minutes from the event, drove in their daily drivers.

Why, oh why?

Larry

Larry, I assume that was the Pantera Club of Northern Connecticut Dinner? One can only assume they were less willing to drive their Panteras in the snow than you were.

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Originally posted by DeTom:
Hells bells boys. All it would take is for a single Pantera to be really featured in a movie like Bullitt or gone in sixty seconds and you won't be able to touch a Pantera anywhere for less than a hundred grand.

Word! Time to get a GT5 in a movie or TV show.

R.

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Originally posted by Joe6pack:
I'm 37. To me, these muscle cars were just old junk when I was in high school. However, the Lamboghini Countach, the Porsche 930/911 Turbo and even Magnum's Ferrari were the cars I dreamed about owning. I think as wealth shifts from generation to generation you will see a shift in value.

I'm 39 and agree. Heck, add the Testarossa and you have the list of cars I wanted during those impressionable years. I'll bet if my older brother didn't have a Pantera poster on his wall I would never have been interested in them.

My father builds race and hotrod motors, so I still like the 32 Fords etc, but when I started making money I bought a Pantera and a Porsche. The next car I buy may well be a Ferrari 360, or maybe a Pantera GT4 restomod?

R.

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Originally posted by rob6145:
First of all if we want recognition we have to get out and drive the cars. Too many are sleeping in garages and scared to go on an outing with them. If WE don't take them out to be noticed how can we expect others to desire something they never saw?

Sorry for all my sequential posts, but I keep reading things that resonate with me.

I drive my Pantera daily (we don't get much rain, and no snow here in Vegas) and I have patiently answered "what the heck is that?" questions from hundreds of people. Patiently waited for people to take pictures of it, patiently listened to people's stories about how they knew a guy back in the day that had one. Patiently explained that it is Italian, not a kit car, won't go over 200mph, only gets 8mpg, has 550hp, isn't stock, isn't uncomfortable, doesn't have vertical doors, runs 345 tires on 14" wide wheels, has the motor in the back, was imported for only a few years, is inexpensive to maintain, and anything else that reinforces the exictement people have that makes them walk across a parking lot and approach a stranger with questions. God bless them for loving cars like we do!

I am single handedly trying to convert the 1.8 million Vegas residents to Pantera believers. Maybe someday I will pull up next to another Pantera at a stop light.

R.

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Maybe someday I will pull up next to another Pantera at a stop light.

Amen Brother.

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Originally posted by DeTom:
That same thing happened to me at a stop light. I told the guy if he couldn't read the sign at this close of a range, he shouldn't be driving. Stop signs have smaller lettering.

I was getting gas and someone asked what kind of car it was. He was standing behind it and I said that it says so on the back of the car.

The guy read it, and says, "ok, it says detomaso Pantera". I said, "yes". Then he says, "yea, but what kind of a car is it?"

I think it is hopeless.

A young woman approached the car at a show with "a pupurpose".

She came an looked at the engine and looked in the interior and then looked at me and said "so what's the big deal, it's a Camaro".

I said nothing. I probably couldn't have spoken at that moment anyway. I take these things too personally.

It never worked out for me as a babe magnet either. Ladies would say something to the effect of, "is that what we are going in? I'm not getting in that thing!"

I guess NY women expect a limo on a date, I don't know?

Guys take it easy with the movie stuff....I'm still not an owner!! In all seriousness a balls-out Pantera would be something great to see in a "Good" movie. I think I know what I'm talking about here when I say movies can also be bad for a car. Its gotta be a high speed action packed sorta thing with a great gritty type of hero. It may not be memorable otherwise, or do much for the Marque.
Nobody flame me here but I dont think Panteras will ever rival "some" of the other guys cars in price due to the Ford connection. Great for the gear heads maybe not so good for the purists. Ultimately though, not everyone views the Pantera as a blue-blood which in reality may have made it possible for alot of present day owners to even acquire their cars, no??
Me personally I think the Pantera is the "baddest car on the planet". Much more visceral than most other Italians. On the other hand, a Ghibli is a Ghibli. In my opinion the cars at Barrett Jackson for the most part represent American culture so its hard for me to believe that an exotic would due that great there. Besides am I wrong in thinking that all the super rare exotics with their racing history, provenance ,what have you, trade hands privately??? A lot of these cars were sold here, even exclusively but they are not "our" cars and not intertwined so much in our culture. Just my worthless 2 pennies

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It never worked out for me as a babe magnet either. Ladies would say something to the effect of, "is that what we are going in? I'm not getting in that thing!"

Strippers like my car, so chicks must at least think it is expensive. Bwahaahaaa!

Several people have taken a stab at what I paid for it (I never say) and they all come in very high, although I think my widebody looks more expensive than the stock cars because it looks more exotic...flame suit on.

R.

If you guys really want the cat in a movie or TV show someone should talk to Richard Plotkin about it. See PI winter 2004 he has an amazing car and is a director and editor at NBC. It would be quite a start Rob6145

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"is that what we are going in? I'm not getting in that thing!"

No dear, that is what I ride in, you take the cattle car on platform B and I will meet you there. So long sweaty, er, I mean sweetie.

"DeTomaso?? Is that the pizza joint down the street?? Sweet delivery vans they have."

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I was getting gas and someone asked what kind of car it was.

If everyone just went to the gas station more often...

and then went for a drive...

It wouldn't really matter how much are cars were worth, because they would be worth it.

Drive on, brothers!

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I'm with Detom, all you have to see is this car predominantly featured in a TV show or movie & the popularity will rise causing the price to go up due to increased demand.
Look what happened to the Ferrari 308 because it was shown on Magnum PI.

Not to be a party-pooper, there was a great looking Mangusta in the very popular movie Kill Bill several years ago. Prices did not skyrocket.

"Vanessa" in "Gone in 60 Seconds".......

And yellow to boot!!

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Originally posted by jeff6559:

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I'm with Detom, all you have to see is this car predominantly featured in a TV show or movie & the popularity will rise causing the price to go up due to increased demand.
Look what happened to the Ferrari 308 because it was shown on Magnum PI.

Not to be a party-pooper, there was a great looking Mangusta in the very popular movie Kill Bill several years ago. Prices did not skyrocket.

I saw that movie unfortunately and I would say that it had as much effect on anyone as a bear do-doing in the woods.
We're talking about a car staring in a movie like gone in 60 seconds.
Even a pimp car got noticed in that one.

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We're talking about a car staring in a movie like gone in 60 seconds.

OK, OK, I agree!!! I'll call Jerry Bruckheimer this afternoon.

Dang, we all knew this subject would be lengthy...maybe will reach 1,000 posts and blow up the website? My neighbor is going to get a new vette, and we all can be assured where that will be in 5 years when everyone is trading them in for newer models. But for us we are a picture in time, no more new models to choose from, just timeless style and powa that makes the neighborhood piss their pants when we fire them up at 6 am! And besides, da women like them, so why worry about da price. Whenever I cruise the coast, at least 50% of the time women flip their tops up...don't know what that’s about, but priceless nonetheless!

...just someone passing buy?

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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
...just someone passing buy?

Yea, chick magnet. But sorry I don't have any of those topless photos I mentioned yet however. The wife will have to take some photos of that as we cruise the coast, stopping at lights & such.

One of the "soft-tops" Does200 has run into??

I deleted the pictures guys, topless is going too far - George

She gets my vote for "most exotic".

WOW....you don't get many of those to the pound do you!

How many accidents did that cause?

Maybe just what we need to spark some interest in DeTomaasos. Get a driver like that in a DeT.

Two more of her. Supposedly this was in LA. Notice the wedding ring...

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I don't know about you guys but I think I wouldn't see this (these) driving my 42" high Pantera!!

Jim Cain
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...what, what? 42" what? huh, accident? huh, yep to both of them? How cum, ah come I don't get to meet these women? They must be afraid of my Webers?

PanteraDoug - for a short period of time there were pics of a nekkid chick driving in a convertible. Maybe someone can email them to you?

:-)

R.

Yes, I saw them, and someone took them away. That's very cruel administrator. I protest that action.
I thought that they were cool. I am very disappoint in the decision to pull them. Grow up a little.

My advice is up your agreed value insurance today. The prices are going nuts.

Mike

Sorry Doug, I read your post too quickly and thought it had a "what the heck are you talking about" tone. I re-read and realized that I should pay better attention.

Is there a "no nudity" policy on this forum? Not that I care one way or the other.

R.

No appology necessary. I was very distraught about the censoring of the pics.

I found it a great human interst story.

As far as a no nude policy on this forum goes, that's ridiculous. I'm nude a lot of the tme I spend here.

The Pantera has never been a babe magnet for me. It must have something to do with my additude?

I was looking around tonight and found this website that supplies autos for the film and movie industry (database) maybe more of the CA guys could make there cars availble for use.
By the way only three Panteras are in the database for consideration.
Film Car Database
Jeff

I definitely bought mine to drive.

I don't have collector plates on it, which would be a lot cheaper, because of the restrictions on when and where you can drive it.

And I love driving it. Just before Christmas, I took it to my my wife's work Christmas party at the Ocean Pointe Resort here in downtown Victoria. Unfortunately there was no opportunity for a grand entrance, as we took it into the underground parking, but I'm sure it was noticed. The way home was another story.

We headed home around 11:30pm, taking the Johnson Street bridge into Old Town, and had to stop for a red light at Government Street. As it rumbled at the red light, a group of about a half dozen twenty-somethings noticed, and started jumping up and down, cheering and whistling. They kept this up for the whole duration of the red light.

In my wing collar and black bow tie I smiled at them and signed thumbs up, gave the wheels and tires a few rotations (easy on the wet pavement), and slowly drove away in first gear to their cheers.

Just doing my part to show the colors.

Man, I love driving this car!