quote:Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:
Why not put the IPSCO setup on it and forget about it?
If function is more important than OEM look, there should not be any question about it.
IMHO I could add : They look much better than the original.
quote:Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:
Why not put the IPSCO setup on it and forget about it?
quote:Originally posted by Bosswrench:
Along with what George said, Ted Mitchell has been selling no-strut deck lid supports with flat coil springs for quite a few years, that look like Detroit hood supports from the '60s. They are properly weighted and are totally heat-insensitive, using no gas at all. Check his web site www.tmitch.com. Not cheap but quality never is.
quote:Originally posted by David B:
I've had mine for at least 15 years. They lift up the rear deck (with delta wing) with no effort from me at all. And it stays up. I can leave it open all day in the sun. They haven't lost anything in all these years. There's no brand name on them but I snapped this. I highly recommend them if you can figure out who's they are. I can't find any reference for that PN.
Read some previous posts and decided to look around for new lid lifts. My existing units measured around 75 lbs when pushed against a scale and would not stay open.
Contacted Sacks and they identified several that were close to existing model.
Here's their reply;
SG314002 17.2" ext, 11" comp, 85#, 8mm eyelets
SG302001 17.4" ext, 11.5" comp, 85#, 8mm eyelets
SG314032 17.2" ext, 11" comp, 114#, 12mm eyelets
SG314003 16.7" ext, 10.25" comp, 121#, 12mm eyelets
These are the lift supports I have which closest fit your needs. You can purchase them at O'Reilly's Auto Parts, Pep Boys or Autozone. You can also find a wide variety of lift supports at www.liftsupportsdepot.com.
I purchased #SG314032 for my non-winged '72 Pantera. My deck lid has the dress up underside
so that does add a little weight.
These work perfect. Pop the hood and it raises by itself in a controlled manner and stays open. These new units are 115LBS, have the correct eyelet ends with slots that match my (i think) original double mount ends. Cost was around $23 each at O'Reilly.
Thank you for getting me on track.
The ones that Hall sells as a non-stock replacement, when you cross the number over on the label, do show as that Dodge number. They also cost something like $28 each in a NAPA store.
I bought my first set from Hall. Installed them and the hinges where the attach to the decklid IMMEDIATELY pulled out of the decklid.
The only thing I could do there was braze them internally through the slit and they held. Problem is the heat warped that part of the lid.
I got that under control by shimming down the hinge mount flanges to the roof by 1/8".
I noticed that the deck was no longer pushing itself up, and was sliding down about 5 or 6 inches yesterday.
I have no wing.
I also think I see movement in the attachment of one of the hinges and the decklid.
There is NO visible rust on the decklid in the hinge area.
I haven't come up with a solution to this as I just noticed the entire mess yesterday.
Needless to say, I am not a happy camper.
I personally like the look of the original fat lift shocks.
I did hear mention that the rebuilt originals will not last for long. They seem to be a temporary solution as they quickly loose thier charge.
I personally can not verify that, since I have not gone that route.
I am going to an Italian Car day show today and will see if there are other Panteras there and what they have.
Any info on this I will post.
I am not sure how the factory originally attached these hinges to the decklid. There is no exterior evidence of that.
If the braze has not held, not sure where to go with this. Doesn't look like they can be converted to bolts.
Not a good scenario all in all.
I saw one car that has electronic lifts like on the current mini-vans. It works nice and he had it tied electronically to his key fob. I'm not sure if in the case of some type of an electronic failure the deck can be lifted manually or not? Pantera-electronics, i.e., Jon Haas has a design he makes that need an air compressor to work. I have a set here.
The issue that I have with that design is that the struts are larger in diameter then the replacement struts. That puts them too close to a couple of the tubes on my headers.
The other thing is that I'm out of room to put another compressor gracefully in the car.
I'm trying to encourage Haas to build a set of the self powered struts but as always with him, he looks at marketability and what he already has done so there is little hope there.
Every so often I look for electronic struts that would just happen to fall into a direct replacement scenario but so far the Pantera ones are too short to match anything currently in production. Of course there is always the possibility that one of the exotic companies will make them for a reasonable price of $1,000 each? For that probably the polarity will be wrong and you will probably need to rewire the entire car to make them work for sure?
quote:The ones that Hall sells as a non-stock replacement, when you cross the number over on the label, do show as that Dodge number. They also cost something like $28 each in a NAPA store.
I bought my first set from Hall. Installed them and the hinges where the attach to the decklid IMMEDIATELY pulled out of the decklid.
The only thing I could do there was braze them internall through the slit and they held. Problem is the heat warped that part of the lid.
I got that under control by shimming down the hinge mount flanges to the roof by 1/8".
I noticed that the deck was no longer pushing itself up, and was sliding down about 5 or 6 inches yesterday.
I have no wing.
I also think I see movement in the attachment of one of the hinges and the decklid.
There is NO visible rust on the decklid in the hinge area.
I haven't come up with a solution to this as I just noticed the entire mess yesterday.
Needless to say, I am not a happy camper.
I personally like the look of the original fat lift shocks.
I did hear mention that the rebuilt originals will not last. They seem to be a temporary solution as they quickly loose there charge.
I personally can not verify that, since I have not gone that route.
I am going to an Italian Car day show today and will see if there are other Panteras there and what they have.
Any info on this I will post.
I am not sure how the factory originally attached these hinges to the decklid. There is no exterior evidance of that.
If the braze has not held, not sure where to go with this. Doesn't look like they can be converted to bolts.
Not a good scenario all in all.
quote:Originally posted by weber69:
DOES 200, We spoke after I bought my Pantera about 5 years ago. So how many Pantera's make a decent retirement fund?
From these past posts - most thought 90-100 lbs per strut would be perfect. The Sachs unit I purchased bolts right up and have 115 lbs for $23 each. I can lower the lid with one strong finger.
Best to you and the board.
quote:Originally posted by DOES 200:quote:Originally posted by weber69:
DOES 200, We spoke after I bought my Pantera about 5 years ago. So how many Pantera's make a decent retirement fund?
From these past posts - most thought 90-100 lbs per strut would be perfect. The Sachs unit I purchased bolts right up and have 115 lbs for $23 each. I can lower the lid with one strong finger.
Best to you and the board.
Haha Weber, there is never enough for retirement, although 3 is getting close. I went to the web on yours, but they show 125lb. shown below.
http://www.liftsupportsdepot.c...mbers=SG314032&pns=1
Are yours still holding up? Nice engine bay by the way!
Good options from others too, but I want something in the stock bracket position unless I cut off the brackets and repainted.
quote:Originally posted by weber69:
DOES - Here's O'Reilly link for the Sachs lid lifts.
http://www.oreillyauto.com/sit..._-1&keyword=sg314032
Here's their web description.
Sachs Stabilus - Lift Support
Part Number: SG314032
Line: SAC
Limited Lifetime Warranty
UPC: 19495086277
Compressed Length (In): 10.965 Inch
Extended Length (In): 17.185 Inch
Lower Mount Type: Eyelet
Travel Length (In): 6.220 Inch
Upper Mount Type: Eyelet
Detailed Description
Manufactured to automotive O.E. performance and quality specifications. Restores the original opening and closing speeds of your hood, hatch or trunk. Easy to install. No special tools required. Exact replacement, engineered for your application. Rust-resistant piston rod extends product life. Easy lifting, reduced closing effort. Consistent lifting force through 50,000 cycles.
Additional Details
Color: Black
Compressed Length (mm): 278.511mm
Extended Length (mm): 436.500mm
Hardware Included: No
Pounds Of Force (Lbs): 115 Lbs.
Rod Diameter (In): 0.315 Inch
Tube Diameter (In): 0.748 Inch
Type: Gas
Regards
Hi Doug,
Sounds like you've been down this road a few times. DOES asked a question and I responded with the unit I recently installed. My previous units were a weak 70 lbs and couldn't keep it up. Some here mentioned the stiff 135 units were overkill. Some mentioned 90 to 100 lbs would be perfect. So I bought the SACKS 115 lbs units. They lift and close easy and I'm not seeing any lid bow due to compressed pressure. They are an exact fit to my original body hardware and cost $25 each delivered.
I also machined some SST end bushing that center position the units.
I'm a newbie and made the best decision based on this board of which you contribute some pretty good advice. I'm guessing I'll be addressing this again in a few hundred cycles.
I'll try to add a few pictures for fun.
Regards to all.
quote:Originally posted by TomCat:quote:Reply
I just replaced the AutoZone 95004 (blue sticker says 4490 0073) with the Sachs SG314002. The support seems fine.
Tom
Ps-Mine is a 73 with no wing, etc...