send me your email its not possible to post the pic. I will send it to you.
R
Doug have you ver seen this tool for the webers ???
" THIS IS A SPECIAL TOOL (DRILL JIG) FOR IDA SERIES WEBER CARBURETORS FOUND AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT ON PORSCHE AND FERRARI CARS. (ALSO VOLKSWAGEN RACE VEHICLES). IT ALLOWS CORRECT PLACEMENT OF DRILL IN UPPER BODY OF CARBURETOR FOR VENTING THE FLOAT BOWL PROPERLY. IT ELIMINATES HOT START PROBLEMS BY VENTING THE HOT GASSES THAT BUILD UP AFTER SHUT OFF (HOT SOAK HIGH AMBIENT AND ENGINE TEMPERATURES) SO THAT FUEL IS NOT FORCED OUT OF THE MAIN NOZZLES (FLOODING). MADE OF HIGH QUALITY STEEL FORGING, MACHINED TO AIRCRAFT SPECS AND ALSO INCLUDES THE PROPER DRILL BIT. IT CAN BE USED ON HUNDREDS OF CARBS WITHOUT WEARING OUT."
Ron
" THIS IS A SPECIAL TOOL (DRILL JIG) FOR IDA SERIES WEBER CARBURETORS FOUND AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT ON PORSCHE AND FERRARI CARS. (ALSO VOLKSWAGEN RACE VEHICLES). IT ALLOWS CORRECT PLACEMENT OF DRILL IN UPPER BODY OF CARBURETOR FOR VENTING THE FLOAT BOWL PROPERLY. IT ELIMINATES HOT START PROBLEMS BY VENTING THE HOT GASSES THAT BUILD UP AFTER SHUT OFF (HOT SOAK HIGH AMBIENT AND ENGINE TEMPERATURES) SO THAT FUEL IS NOT FORCED OUT OF THE MAIN NOZZLES (FLOODING). MADE OF HIGH QUALITY STEEL FORGING, MACHINED TO AIRCRAFT SPECS AND ALSO INCLUDES THE PROPER DRILL BIT. IT CAN BE USED ON HUNDREDS OF CARBS WITHOUT WEARING OUT."
Ron
No, I haven't seen it. Webers are kinda' learned by the emberical method.
It sounds like a logical tool and it might actually work.
The solution I found for the carbs "perculating" was to use the Gene Berg high pressure glass ball valves and the thick heat isolator gaskets.
I remember Inglese telling me how the carbsflooded out of the hood scoop on the Cobra on the fresh paint.
I remember how I discovered it on my car. I didn't realize that they were flooding and when I went to restart the car it turned into a geiser of raw fuel.
Running Webers builds character.
Is this for sale on Ebay?
It sounds like a logical tool and it might actually work.
The solution I found for the carbs "perculating" was to use the Gene Berg high pressure glass ball valves and the thick heat isolator gaskets.
I remember Inglese telling me how the carbsflooded out of the hood scoop on the Cobra on the fresh paint.
I remember how I discovered it on my car. I didn't realize that they were flooding and when I went to restart the car it turned into a geiser of raw fuel.
Running Webers builds character.
Is this for sale on Ebay?
Yes , I asked the guy if it came with instructions. Dosent seem like you need the jig if you cold figure out where they are drilling ??
Ron
Ron
The vent hole is in the top of the carb in between the jets.
Why would one need a jig?
I don't see how even enlarging the vent hole would reduce pressure. It raises the risk of getting debris in the bowl. There is just a screen for protection.
I really think that the perculation is just from the heat of the engine rising from the engine, not from pressure build up.
The manifold gets really hot and the carbs become heat risers.
Heat isolator gaskets are mandatory and all that are really needed.
The Gene Berg valves are just added insurance.
Why would one need a jig?
I don't see how even enlarging the vent hole would reduce pressure. It raises the risk of getting debris in the bowl. There is just a screen for protection.
I really think that the perculation is just from the heat of the engine rising from the engine, not from pressure build up.
The manifold gets really hot and the carbs become heat risers.
Heat isolator gaskets are mandatory and all that are really needed.
The Gene Berg valves are just added insurance.
Doug check it out on ebay ... its not redrilling the old hole its drilling ata a slight angle ... 110027805258 I bid on it so we will see ... I have to say the factory mods are usually correct.
R
R
Yes I saw it.
What makes you think that this is a Factory tool?
I have never seen either of these tools mentioned in any Weber publication.
Most likely they are out of a Weber specialty shop.
What makes you think that this is a Factory tool?
I have never seen either of these tools mentioned in any Weber publication.
Most likely they are out of a Weber specialty shop.
So it states .......... THIS IS A SPECIAL TOOL (DRILL JIG) FOR IDA SERIES WEBER CARBURETORS FOUND AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT ON PORSCHE AND FERRARI CARS.
But I have to say the Porches and Ferraris are horizontal mounted IDA's ?????
So maybe it applys to them.
R
But I have to say the Porches and Ferraris are horizontal mounted IDA's ?????
So maybe it applys to them.
R
quote:Originally posted by accobra:
So it states .......... THIS IS A SPECIAL TOOL (DRILL JIG) FOR IDA SERIES WEBER CARBURETORS FOUND AS ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT ON PORSCHE AND FERRARI CARS.
But I have to say the Porches and Ferraris are horizontal mounted IDA's ?????
So maybe it applys to them.
R
Horizontally mounted ida's don't exist. You are thinking of DCOE's.
68-9 911's use 46 or 48IDA-3's. These share partswith the 48IDA's but are three throat castings and have other differences as well. Some VW based 4cy Porsches use 46 or 481da.
I don't know what Ferrari's use 48IDA. I haven't seen any.
The 365 GTB Daytonnas don't. Those look like IDF"s. My Italian Weber authority says the IDa's are strictly Porsche.
(He also refuses even to acknowledge the existance of such cars such as the Ford GT40 and the Shelby Cobra). I have to let that go. His friendly information is worth more then me being correct.
If the IDA's are on the Ferrari's they are certainly just race cars, not street cars.
"I interpret the above ebay quote to saying that the tool is intended for use on Weber Ida carbs.
There are Weber IDA carbs used on some Porsches, Ferrari's, etc."
It in no way states that this is a Weber factory tool or that you need this tool to make you Weber IDA's just like the ones used on the Porsches, Ferrari's, etc.
I also think that the wording of the ad is carefully worded to make you think that it is a factory tool. In other words, it is intentionally misleading the buyer.
The other possabilaty is that it is a factory tool and that it really works.
Knowing Weber, the carbs are supplied to the manufacturers as necessary, i.e., there are no modifications required or recommended from the way that theysupply them. There is "tuning" involved yes, but not "modifications".
Unfortunately on this auction Ron you need to find a lawyer highly experienced in tuning Weber IDA's to understand what the seller is saying or implying. But for $26 who's getting hurt?
Just a minor correction. The Eearly 911 Porsches used 40-IDA 3C carbs. The 46 IDA-3C's were used on the Carrera -6 and some RSR engines. The 46IDA was way too big a carb for the 2.0 and 2.4 litre six cylinder motors.If my fading memory does not fail me....about the only common part between the 46-IDA and the 48-IDA are the fuel floats and needle and seats.As far as I know WEBER never made a 48IDA-3 series carb.
I have a set of te 46-IDA 3C's on my factory 916-6 ( an ex-IMSA racer running a twin plug RSR spec motor)...... a really quick car! !
I have a set of te 46-IDA 3C's on my factory 916-6 ( an ex-IMSA racer running a twin plug RSR spec motor)...... a really quick car! !
I stand corrected. I am not a Porsche expert.
The point is that this tool could be a Porsche racing tool and not necessarily for the 48IDA's two throat castings which are different enough from the 3 throat.
The point is that this tool could be a Porsche racing tool and not necessarily for the 48IDA's two throat castings which are different enough from the 3 throat.
Guitar Man can you take a look at the tool on ebay .. I listed the item # ... can you explain the use ???
Ron
Ron
Just got in the door and read this message. Give me an hour or so and I'll pull the top off of one of my 46-IDA3-C carbs and compare the profile for fittment. I'm guessing the "fixture" will rest in the carb top plate (inverted) and aligns with some casting cavity for the vent hole drilling if needed.
It has been a while since I have been into these carbs but I never experienced any high temp - vapor/pressure build up in the 46's. Possibly only a 48-IDA issue??? I'll take a look - see.
It has been a while since I have been into these carbs but I never experienced any high temp - vapor/pressure build up in the 46's. Possibly only a 48-IDA issue??? I'll take a look - see.
Are the 46IDA 3 horizontal or vertical ..
Ron
Ron
The 46-IDA carbs are down draft( verticle) three barrel units.( 3 seperate venturi throats)
Doug / Guitarman anyone have the air horn fix tabs that hold the stacks on I need 16 and my luck they dont make them any more .. or I have no choice but to fab 16 of them and waste a saturday afternoon perfomong this tedious task.
I also need a throttle stop screw.
Ron
I also need a throttle stop screw.
Ron
Did you try Gabrielle David (Alfa17) in Italy?
I think they are the same as for th DCOE which he has parts for.
I think they are the same as for th DCOE which he has parts for.
He responded
Hi,
i am sorry but all my stock of IDA parts has been sold to a local porsche/VW shop.i have very few parts left.
Kind Regards,
Gabriele D.
The USA vendors want like 24.00 for a gauze cover ... but EUROCARB is the best but dosent have the tabs. You say the DCOE tabs are the same. Thanks ! LOL
Ron
Hi,
i am sorry but all my stock of IDA parts has been sold to a local porsche/VW shop.i have very few parts left.
Kind Regards,
Gabriele D.
The USA vendors want like 24.00 for a gauze cover ... but EUROCARB is the best but dosent have the tabs. You say the DCOE tabs are the same. Thanks ! LOL
Ron
I hate Porschies.
I think they use the tabs too, can't swear to it, Ask Gabrielle.
I'm sure that Gene Berg would have them too. I think they were $1 each.
I think they use the tabs too, can't swear to it, Ask Gabrielle.
I'm sure that Gene Berg would have them too. I think they were $1 each.
Ok I found everything at Inglese ... I was fooled and forgot the British pound takes 2 to equal one dollar and I rather buy American. So inglese worked out to be the same price and less shipping cost.
I dont like PORCHES either. But I have to say Pantera day at Pocono I got a ride in a 930 Turbo in race trim and I felt like I was in a real fast VW Bug. Like a tin can.
What are you using for linkage .. I had hardware to connect on on top of the throttle stop and one under by rotating the throttle stop 180 degrees. Not with a bell crank in the center. But used the bell crank on the side to connect the Pantera cable linkage.
Did you get all that >>>> LOL
Ron
I dont like PORCHES either. But I have to say Pantera day at Pocono I got a ride in a 930 Turbo in race trim and I felt like I was in a real fast VW Bug. Like a tin can.
What are you using for linkage .. I had hardware to connect on on top of the throttle stop and one under by rotating the throttle stop 180 degrees. Not with a bell crank in the center. But used the bell crank on the side to connect the Pantera cable linkage.
Did you get all that >>>> LOL
Ron
It depends on if your carbs all face the same way or if one side is reversed of the other.
Simplest thing to do is buy a complete Pantera set up from Inglese for $150 and be done with it.
Simplest thing to do is buy a complete Pantera set up from Inglese for $150 and be done with it.
they face opposite thats why one throttle stop has to be down and one up. But I think your right the bell crank both pulling toward the center or pushing is the best. I'll check it out. How far are they to drive ??
Ron
Ron
They are off of 95 past New Haven. North Branford I believe. About 2 hrs from you.
Take the entire set up with you and match up what you need.
They pretty much have everything that you need.
You can buy a "plain brown wrapper jet kit" from him too, but he'll give you 135/160/F5's with all the numbers ground off.
Take the entire set up with you and match up what you need.
They pretty much have everything that you need.
You can buy a "plain brown wrapper jet kit" from him too, but he'll give you 135/160/F5's with all the numbers ground off.
I have a set of Webbers on my FE Manifold. Where can I buy a Cleveland Manifold for Webbers? N How much?
quote:Originally posted by webbers:
I have a set of Webbers on my FE Manifold. Where can I buy a Cleveland Manifold for Webbers? N How much?
Try Hall Pantera. They are $600 for the iron head big port or $650 for the A3 small port.
I have a set complete since I just ordered a manifold to fit my 351W w/ C302B heads I may not be needing these.
Ron
Ron