Does anyone make a ducktail wing?

I may just fab something up, I love the race look, so riveted on aluminum ducktail isn't out of the question, but if there was one available I'd love to see it.

I'm also attracted to GT style wings. I think a full GT wing on a Pantera would look sweet.

I like the wing that Mark Charleton has.
I have the Amerispost GSX Low Profile wing. Very low subtle and just as Kirk designed and follows the body lines (and deck lid rib) perfect. Many people don't notice it and think it is completely stock. The 3rd brake light is a nice safety feature and is quite hidden on a red car. Not sure if would look quite as clean on a car of a different color.

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Very Nice! I like that wing a lot. I like your wheels too. I'm rockin the same ones.

A full GT wing IMO probably is harder to get the right look on a non-flared car.

The wing you have works VERY well with your non-flared car. My car also has no flares, I may seriously look into getting that wing.
Here is a link to Alex's Flickr page when they were mocking up his blue Group IV car. He also has a beautiful red GT5-S.

Roughed in "Duck Tail" on Alex's Pantera #5555

I also believe there is a specific thread on his blue Group IV car #5555 on this forum with more information on how they built the duck tail and all the other mods they did.

I tried to attached a photo of the rough duck tail in primer but I am having trouble getting my IPad to resize the photo to meet forum requirements. BTW - The finished product is very nice (sorry didn't have time to search one out).

Hope this helps.

Devin
To address (sort of) as to whether a sugar-scoop or Boxer-slat will make a delta wing work better or worse on a Pantera, the question has been asked before and to my knowledge, no back-to-back tests or wind-tunnel runs ever were done. The Boxer-slat was as a result of one of Ferrari's rare public mistakes. The carbureted Boxer's air intakes were at the extreme rear of the decklid (designed very much like the earlier Pantera decklid), and the under-car airflow raised the air going over the sugar-scoop decklid enough that the big V-12 went lean over about 160 mph. Adding a slat over the front of the decklid bent the total airflow down enough that the carbs got air at all speeds attainable. I note that with all this, even racing (alleggarrita) versions of the Ferrari Boxer did not run a wing or a tail spoiler with it.

It certainly seems that at higher speeds, the rear swirl over & behind a Pantera will be bent down with a Boxer-slat, possibly making a wing or a blade-spoiler more effective. Exactly HOW much more effective, and at what speeds, is still an open question until someone tries it and publishes their results.

A few years ago, Bob Bensen tried an air/oil cooler mounted half-way up the stanchions holding his high-mounted wing, and found that the cooler was completely useless as mounted. At the time I suggested trying a Boxer slat, but he decided to change to a smaller, lighter & more effective water-to-oil cooler. That certainly would have answered the question, if done.
I'm still looking at different wings.

I do like the Countach wing, but my car is flareless, so I want something a little more sedate.

Now mind you, my car has huge 335 wide rear tires, and basically slicks, and sits low, so it can handle a wing and still look non-poser, but it has to be the right wing before I drill any holes in my car.
I've had several wings. I intended to install one eventually. I took pictures of the car with and without the wing installed and finally decided a wing just didn't look right on a narrow bodied car (not to mention the reluctance to drill holes in the deck lid).
Which do you think is actually more effective at, say, 100-140mph, a Countach style wing, or a ducktaail wing like I've seen on some race car vids?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EXQPlPgYxU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUjehWztZTE

I quite like the look of the ducktail wings/spoilers. More easily fabricated, I'm thinking of adding one to my car, along with some side window air scoops, 5" tall velacity stacks, painting/wrapping th front decklid flat black, give the car a different, motre personal look. Plus, I plan to do track days, but I won't be going over 120-130 at the fastest.
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Originally posted by mike the snake:
Which do you think is actually more effective at, say, 100-140mph, a Countach style wing, or a ducktaail wing like I've seen on some race car vids?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EXQPlPgYxU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUjehWztZTE

I quite like the look of the ducktail wings/spoilers. More easily fabricated, I'm thinking of adding one to my car, along with some side window air scoops, 5" tall velacity stacks, painting/wrapping th front decklid flat black, give the car a different, motre personal look. Plus, I plan to do track days, but I won't be going over 120-130 at the fastest.


I'm pretty sure that on a race car the wing would be too much in the way to deal with considering the the deck usually needs to come off to work on the engine.

I don't think the location of the ducktail and the size of it are arbitrary?

They both provide down force but in doing so create some drag.

The results probably are similar but if I was seriously going racing the ducktail is probably what would happen.

Both the Ford GT40 and the Cobra "Daytonna" Coupes used the ducktail.

In those days the race team would just take a pair of "tin snips" and trim some of the tail down if the driver thought there was too much downforce.

I can't recall the Detomaso Gp4 cars with a spoiler anywhere on the car but it is not unfair to say now that the car could have used more race development?


What I do know about the Pantera aerodynamics is that the nose gets light at speeds somewhere about 150mph. That's where the little GTS chin spoiler was required.


Spoilers in the rear extert downforce in the rear for extra traction.

Downforce numbers that I have seen on many rear spoilers put that number in the 50 to 70 pound vicinity.

I do not know what additional drag they caused?


I do remember a magazine article about the Countach with the wing, the Lamborghini test driver said that the wing held back the top speed of the car.

As I recall it was something like 203 mph without the wing and 198 with the wing.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mike the snake:
Which do you think is actually more effective at, say, 100-140mph, a Countach style wing, or a ducktaail wing like I've seen on some race car vids?


I do remember a magazine article about the Countach with the wing, the Lamborghini test driver said that the wing held back the top speed of the car.

As I recall it was something like 203 mph without the wing and 198 with the wing.


Lamborghini made some pretty radical, unsubstantiated claims when it came to top speeds of their cars back in the day.

The reality is the Euro Spec Countach 5000s topped out at 150 with the rear spoiler and 160 without. Click for 5000S Road test

The fastest Countach of all, the 1988 25th anniversary edition, which had a much revised, more aerodynamic body than the previous editions and NO rear spoiler did a verified 183 mph.

The very first production road car to hit 200 MPH wasn't until 1987 when Ferrari rolled out the F40.
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Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
...Piano Hinges, Heim Joints, A Piece of Plexiglass, Holes Drilled in the Decklid.

NO COMMENT!



If you look closely, there are no additional holes drilled in the decklid. The car had an ugly delta wing on it before and the holes for the supports were already there. He simply repurposed them. I like it . I think that with a bit of shaping ,it would look really cool.
Ron
I would go with the Delta Wing. If you can't find one, go with the Marlin Wing.

Since these are largely for decoration and you intend to show the car, the combination of the Delta Wing and the Pantera rear deck make just the right combination to do tail gate parties with.

You can separate the Hibachi from the cold drinks. Just make sure you put screens over the stacks so people don't drop objects into them.
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I would go with the Delta Wing. If you can't find one, go with the Marlin Wing.

Since these are largely for decoration and you intend to show the car, the combination of the Delta Wing and the Pantera rear deck make just the right combination to do tail gate parties with.

You can separate the Hibachi from the cold drinks. Just make sure you put screens over the stacks so people don't drop objects into them.

...You Forgot about the Young Girl who Loves to lay out on My Wing, Naked, and Sunbathe All Day!! Now, Who's Laughin'?

Marlin
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Which do you think would be more effective, a Countach wing, or a ducktail spoiler like in the pics

Definitely the ducktail! The Countach wing will merely add drag. Then again, if you can find some nubile young ladies who want to sunbathe on a delta wing like Marlin's, then it's a no-brainer, go with the delta wing. But if you want to go faster, go ducktail.
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Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I would go with the Delta Wing. If you can't find one, go with the Marlin Wing.

Since these are largely for decoration and you intend to show the car, the combination of the Delta Wing and the Pantera rear deck make just the right combination to do tail gate parties with.

You can separate the Hibachi from the cold drinks. Just make sure you put screens over the stacks so people don't drop objects into them.

...You Forgot about the Young Girl who Loves to lay out on My Wing, Naked, and Sun-Bath All Day!! Now, Who's Laughin'?

Marlin


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Originally posted by r mccall:
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Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I would go with the Delta Wing. If you can't find one, go with the Marlin Wing.

Since these are largely for decoration and you intend to show the car, the combination of the Delta Wing and the Pantera rear deck make just the right combination to do tail gate parties with.

You can separate the Hibachi from the cold drinks. Just make sure you put screens over the stacks so people don't drop objects into them.

...You Forgot about the Young Girl who Loves to lay out on My Wing, Naked, and Sun-Bath All Day!! Now, Who's Laughin'?

Marlin


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You know? I often think I see things looking down the road into those heat waves coming off of the pavement at dusk?

Does that count as a mirage? Eeker
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
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Originally posted by MarsRed:
Yeah right! I agree with PanteraDoug, pics are required.

So Marlin, I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU.

(I see another thread in our future: "Naked Chicks Laying On Delta Wings", or something...)


Is that like "double secret probation"? Eeker


You've never heard of a double dog dare??? Where'd you grow up? There's even a triple dog dare:
http://www.urbandictionary.com...term=Double+Dog+Dare
http://www.urbandictionary.com...term=triple-dog-dare

Serious stuff indeed.

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