1971 "Push Button" Pantera. this is a very early car, car is original and unmolested, vin number *1355* made in march of 1971. California car with no rust or evidence of body damage, paint is faded, checked, and crazed. i have a clear California Title to the car.

car comes with the original wheels with new tires, new and original door panels, new carpet set, all interior trim, all panels, and new headrests for the recently recovered seats . front end has been rebuilt by Hall Pantera, with a new rack, new bushings, all new upper and lower ball joints, new starter, fuel pump, cooling lines and hoses, recored radiator with original rebuilt fans, rebuilt Holley carb. the 17 inch wheels have brand new tires. i have changed and flushed all the fluids.

car runs and is drive able, but is being sold needing paint and reassembly.

Michael Savannah Georgia zip 31407

912 441 2637

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i am looking to buy a car i can jump in, drive, and or mod to my hearts content. i have had over 140 cars, and my gut tells me this is not one to cut up like i would. coming from Ferrari and older Lambos, this is a great, fast car. i think i am addicted, but i want a later GTS or GT5, in black. ( i hate red!, ask the Ferrari guys...)

thanks.


oh yes, i can arrange a local Pre Purchase Inspection at the buyers expense at Andy Green Racing in Pooler Georgia (912 748 5737). car is not registered or insured, so it will need to be towed .
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Originally posted by rbamford:
you say you've had solid offers, but it seems you still have the car. Have they not met your expectations? I would very interested to know what aprox. you are shooting for. rbamford@hotmail.com


the ad was just posted, geeze you guys are tough !

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vin is *1355*


to save me and everyone else the hassle, i will NOT take less than $35k for it, period. otherwise i am going to cut it up an modify it like a i would any camaro or trans am. its just a car to me.

my guns and guitars i get attached to.

cars i do not.

best.
i am not interested in selling it outside of the USA. too many Lamborghini's and Ferrari's are going overseas never to be seen again by Americans. i am not going to to sell this car to any overseas buyer.

nothing personal.

as far as " offers " go i will not take less than $35,000 for it. otherwise it will go on the net for 90 days and then be chopped and modified as i see fit.


Michael
A car must go wherever is cared for.

Im shocked there is still IGNORANT people that dont sell to any specific people/country.

No general knowledge of cars would be widespread: what if Germans decided not to sell all those wonderful examples of? Or Italians??
I think the export is more of a market factor; thanks to US policymakers the US$ is in the doghouse compared to other currencies, hence cars here are attractive to out of country buyers.

I was talking to a Canadian friend and he said the past year has shown the largest number of cars in general going across the border into Canada. The CAD$ is now basically 1:1 for the US$ and a US$50K car is CAD$50K, whereas only 3-4 years ago it would have been ~CAD$70K.

When I lived in Australia the oposite was true and the US$ was strong, so strong in fact that US muscle cars were being re-exported back to the US!
I must also agree the attitude of some people, who won't sell outside of their 'zone' is disapointing.
Luckily everyone is not like that.
I reguarly buy things from other countries, and it makes you realise just how small the world now is.
However quite often when I buy off non professional people, they get the ' all to hard attitude' .
Luckily the seller of my new Pantera, had his eyes wide open. Another Pantera I looked at had the attitude of not selling outside his zone, his loss.
Sorry for the rant, but I do get upset over these forms of discimination.
HI ALL. Just my thought's of selling a car oversea's. It seem's to me that although some people would rather not sell their car's to oversea's buyer's to keep the car's in the U.S. there are other's [probably the majority] that would rather not get involved with the logistic's of exporting the car to a oversea's buyer. First and foremost to the seller would be the payment for the car [ receiving / confirming / cashing / exchange rate's / extra charge's levied / transport to exporting dock etc] before even letting the car out of their sight [expecially with fraudulant payment's etc. that seem so rampant today]
Second i think would be the language barrier that could easily be mis-interpereted by either party as to car description
condition price etc. [Especially if dealing with someone who hasn't even seen / driven the car in person]
Dealing with problem's with an un-satisfied oversea's buyer[for what ever reason]after sale and delivery could easily turn out to be a real P.I.T.A. for both party's. I PERSONALLY feel that it would be a lot easier to sell in the U.S.A. [sorry to all oversea's enthusiast's] especially as local as possible so that any potential buyer's could come see / drive the car for themselve's and have all the [first hand information] needed to make an informed decision. Or at the very least have the car checked out by other TRUSTED KNOWLEDGEABLE PANTERA ENTHUSIAST'S and even then [if the car seem's to be what you are looking for]if possible check out the car in person. Let's face it these are not cheap car's and they are prone to some problem's here and there [some worse than other's] In conclusion do your home work / know what you are looking for / at determine what level of skill's you have to do the repair's that may be needed now or in the for seeable future[un-less you are going to out source the work $$$] and factor into your decision.
JOHN
John, Cuvee:

When I bought my car I send a transfer into the bank account the seller told me to. Took 3 days. No need to confirm etc...


Car was collected by the shipping company I contracted (based in San Diego) Exactly the same company that some body from California could have chosen, and the car was picked up the day the seller agreed with them.

In one week, sale was solved.

Problems in the transaction???? Im still waiting for them...

Language problem....if somebody doesnt speak the languaje, could hardly go and look to buy things he cant even name.

I agree with John that a car is better to be seen live and that the US has a bigger market. However it seems the car in question in not being sold...

I completely respect Reapers point of view, I just dont share and see it as short sighted.

There is a very respetable californian member of this community that without knowing me , is helping me a lot finding spares, tech info in restoring my car...I cant wait for the day he come to visit me and stay with my car and looks at what we are talking continuosly. How nice is to go around and have people to meet and chat about Panteras?
You know it is kind of prickish of us Americans to not sell our cars back to folks we bought them from. Back in thedays when America was a mighty nation and the dollar was king, we imported lots of Panteras from europe because we could afford to. Now that we are a turd world back water, we should sell back to those more fortunate than us. Razzer
It seems like I have started a little argument, nice! It's always interesting to hear people’s different opinions in a subject like this.

I can’t see any problems selling over seas. I'm prepared to take the trip and pay it cash. It doesn’t get simpler than that?!?

I guess I have to find another object...

/Honken
To each his own. I sold a Maserati to France and it was so easy I don't even remember what I actually did, other than accept the wire transfer. Sold another one to England, and except for where I (stupid me) forgot to put the spare and jack back in the car (they couldn't drive it away, some saftey law) all went well.

HOWEVER...

Three times I've sold insignificant things overseas on ebay and had major headaches directly related thereto. It was beyond belief and the length of this post.

To me, if a buyer has the money, pays timely, is fair-minded, and doesn't ask too much of an accomodating seller, I don't care if their residence is in an Igloo, just outside of Saturn's 3rd ring.

Reaper can do what he likes and knows what he's doing. Empirically though, if a seller must choose between "no buyer" and "overseas buyer", the choice may get murkier.
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Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
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Originally posted by A Hudson:
...their residence is in an Igloo, just outside of Saturn's 3rd ring...


Canada?

Big Grin

cowboy from hell


I knew it had a name!
Big Grin Big Grin

The car did pretty well and got VERY close to CARREAPER's reserve (or suggested 'buy' price on this board) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-DeTomaso-Pantera-Pu...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Looks like a good car for someone. I knew of CARREAPER'S F-cars on that "other" board and seems the cars were always accurately described, so this may be an opportunity for someone on this board to own a fun and fruitful project.
wow, a bunch of replies here. i have to read all of these replies when i have time.


i do not want to sell any of my cars for the following reasons:

1) i dont know how international money exchanges work, and i have no idea how to protect myself from fraud, or what to do if something goes wrong. to many scams with no way to protect yourself.

2) i dont have the time to look into selling the car overseas, and any Customs laws that may apply. i have 48 United States to get 1 buyer from. its not worth my time to figure out if some guy from overseas is for real and not scamming me.


3) also a note to all of you overseas guys, let me enlighten you:

i do not have international calling on my phone.

MANY Americans do not call overseas, and its not cheap nor easy to arrange with a cell phone company unless you have a good reason to call overseas on a regular basis, and pay extra year round for the International service.

i cannot return International calls as i do not have the cell phone plan that allows it. this is yet another reason i wont get into a agreement to sell a car, as i could only communicate via email.

some of you guys are reading WAY too much into this.
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Originally posted by JOHN KAZLO:
HI ALL. Just my thought's of selling a car oversea's. It seem's to me that although some people would rather not sell their car's to oversea's buyer's to keep the car's in the U.S. there are other's [probably the majority] that would rather not get involved with the logistic's of exporting the car to a oversea's buyer. First and foremost to the seller would be the payment for the car [ receiving / confirming / cashing / exchange rate's / extra charge's levied / transport to exporting dock etc] before even letting the car out of their sight [expecially with fraudulant payment's etc. that seem so rampant today]
Second i think would be the language barrier that could easily be mis-interpereted by either party as to car description
condition price etc. [Especially if dealing with someone who hasn't even seen / driven the car in person]
Dealing with problem's with an un-satisfied oversea's buyer[for what ever reason]after sale and delivery could easily turn out to be a real P.I.T.A. for both party's. I PERSONALLY feel that it would be a lot easier to sell in the U.S.A. [sorry to all oversea's enthusiast's] especially as local as possible so that any potential buyer's could come see / drive the car for themselve's and have all the [first hand information] needed to make an informed decision. Or at the very least have the car checked out by other TRUSTED KNOWLEDGEABLE PANTERA ENTHUSIAST'S and even then [if the car seem's to be what you are looking for]if possible check out the car in person. Let's face it these are not cheap car's and they are prone to some problem's here and there [some worse than other's] In conclusion do your home work / know what you are looking for / at determine what level of skill's you have to do the repair's that may be needed now or in the for seeable future[un-less you are going to out source the work $$$] and factor into your decision.
JOHN



excellent post. i have lived my whole life in the USA, and i have not seen but a small part of it. its too new, and too time consuming to try to sell a cheap car to someone overseas and help make it a easy transaction.

again, i will mention many of us here have no clue how to transfer funds in and out of the USA safely, and there are Federal Banking and Tax laws that can make selling the car as a person ( i am not a dealer) very hard and time consuming.

dealers are different and have levels of checks and balances and laws they abide by. thats why they are "dealers".

perhaps if one of you International guys that thinks i am so ignorant would like to take the time and explain to this dumb American exactly how the process works, i would be glad to sell my cars out of my collections off and on to future overseas buyers.

remember we have laws about stuff going out, as much as we do coming in. and i have no clue what they are above the State level and selling a car from guy to another.

this is just a hobby. i never sell my guns or guitars.
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Originally posted by A Hudson:
quote:
Originally posted by Cowboy from Hell:
quote:
Originally posted by A Hudson:
...their residence is in an Igloo, just outside of Saturn's 3rd ring...


Canada?

Big Grin

cowboy from hell


I knew it had a name!
Big Grin Big Grin

The car did pretty well and got VERY close to CARREAPER's reserve (or suggested 'buy' price on this board) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-DeTomaso-Pantera-Pu...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Looks like a good car for someone. I knew of CARREAPER'S F-cars on that "other" board and seems the cars were always accurately described, so this may be an opportunity for someone on this board to own a fun and fruitful project.




yep, $35,000 was the reserve, and still is the buy it price. i have had several Lambos and Ferraris. all of my buyers were happy, and i am still in touch with all of them. i feel like i got to enjoy a classic car and make a new friend in the process of selling to a fellow enthusiast.

i am man enough to apologize to the overseas guys by the tone of my post.

people overseas are better suited to International affairs as there are so many Countries that are close together, and that gives you a whole new view on other people, cultures and language. i dont know how easy or difficult it is to travel Overseas either, but here we just jump in and drive.

i dont know any other language, and i have not been outside of the USA, other than the Bahamas.



i may relist the car, but i have other things going on besides selling the Pantera, so there is no hurry.

sorry if i offended anyone.
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Originally posted by Honken:
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Many replies to this one.

I'm just sad I can't get my hands on a car like yours. Just what I've been lookning for...

/H



sorry. i have someone now looking at the car. my concerns were more with the logistics of the sale, and not the person themselves.

best,

Michael
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