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Progress pics of my Mangusta

J jmm3Member
Before I bought this Mangusta, I had made a few friends in the DeTomaso commmunity. Now that I have bought a Mangusta, I have made even more friends who want see pics.

When I bought the car, 8ma600, it had an 8 year old brand new paint job. I decided to fill in the little holes in the fenders for the Sebring mirrors. Then I decided to weld up the hole in the rear hatch where the power antenna was. Then there was a chip near one of doors....and a drip under the spoiler.....so while I was at it (famous last words).... we decided to paint the whole thing.

Since the car was completely apart, it was faster and nicer to just repaint every square inch than to mask off and blend panels. And of course a custom color change to more closely match the original was in order too.....

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J jmm3Member
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Originally posted by mangustaman:
Since the pics were taken I bought another Mangusta and with the car came a beautiful set of original italian mirrors in a box.I have since replaced the mirrors on the car (modification of bolt holes all hidden,no repaint) and what a difference it makes! . When I get back down to Tempe I will take photos. Jerry


I'm glad to hear you are rid of the infamous "Pep Boys" mirrors! I was planning on Vitaloni Californians, stuck to the window glass with 3M body tape, but I have since seen a Yamaha Waverunner (!) with beautiful mirrors, and I may use them.

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M mangustamanMember
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Originally posted by JMM3:
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Originally posted by mangustaman:
Since the pics were taken I bought another Mangusta and with the car came a beautiful set of original italian mirrors in a box.I have since replaced the mirrors on the car (modification of bolt holes all hidden,no repaint) and what a difference it makes! . When I get back down to Tempe I will take photos. Jerry


I'm glad to hear you are rid of the infamous "Pep Boys" mirrors! I was planning on Vitaloni Californians, stuck to the window glass with 3M body tape, but I have since seen a Yamaha Waverunner (!) with beautiful mirrors, and I may use them.
Yea they were pep boys $12 mirrors. Previous owner Paul was amazed that the Ferrari restoration shop(who bought the car for a client) let the car go out the door after a $178000 fully documented mechanical restoration with the mirrors still on.Well at least the mirrors were not glued to the front quarter window glass.I once sold a mangusta because the previous owner had glued(incredibly adhered stuff) crappy Dodge Omni mirrors to the glass and I did not want to take a chance on destroying the unobtanium glass removing them.That glass/frame/door area is such a beautiful piece of the design element that I think its a shame to obscure it with a mirror.Jerry
J jmm3Member
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Originally posted by mangustaman:
That glass/frame/door area is such a beautiful piece of the design element that I think its a shame to obscure it with a mirror.Jerry


I agree with you, my vision is to try to visually save that line by mounting a Californian up about 1.3 inch from the bottom, on the glass. The tape I plan to use is the same as emblems on newer cars, and can be removed with dental floss (really!)

But what do you think of those small mirrors on the waverunner? They are more Italian looking than a lot of Italian mirrors I have seen.

we'll see how the visuals work out. I just got done with 1 month in the paint shop to fix 6 tiny mirror holes, so my drill is staying in the cabinet for a while.

Jay
M mangustamanMember
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Originally posted by JMM3:
quote:
Originally posted by mangustaman:
That glass/frame/door area is such a beautiful piece of the design element that I think its a shame to obscure it with a mirror.Jerry


I agree with you, my vision is to try to visually save that line by mounting a Californian up about 1.3 inch from the bottom, on the glass. The tape I plan to use is the same as emblems on newer cars, and can be removed with dental floss (really!)

But what do you think of those small mirrors on the waverunner? They are more Italian looking than a lot of Italian mirrors I have seen.

we'll see how the visuals work out. I just got done with 1 month in the paint shop to fix 6 tiny mirror holes, so my drill is staying in the cabinet for a while.

Jay

I have a 1963 Italia Omega that has holes for mirrors and was looking for attractive mirrors. I found many candidates at a motorcycle merchandise shop similar to the waverunner types. You might check there. I would not under any circumstances put anything on the window glass regardless of ease of removal. In fact I prefer the mangusta with NO MIRRORS AT ALL,just as yours is now. I would have removed the mirrors and filled the holes and repainted on 1256 but decided to just go with the new mirrors for now. I have 1 Mangusta (1126) with no mirrors/holes and love it.I dont mind using the interior rear view mirror plus physically turning and looking as I do that anyway .Of course if the beurocrats require it that is another story. In AZ they dont. Jerry
bosswrenchbosswrenchMember
For those who want unblemished quarter window glass (Mangusta or Pantera), be aware that Dodge Omni mirrors were not glued onto the little Dodges' glass. The mirrors screwed to a thin triangular flat-black plate that was screwed to the inside lip of the door. The mirror hid most of that bracket and the fuzzy hid the rest. It should take most of 15 minutes for an average Pantera owner to duplicate a mounting plate from scrap aluminum or steel. Then the spontaneous debonding of glued mirrors that often happens, won't.
I use Dodge Omni mirrors with cable remote adjustments, but instead of making a metal bracket, I replaced the quarter glass with home made Lexan units, and drilled mounting holes clear thru the plastic. I also made contoured shims from scrap wood 2x 4s to get the proper angle for both myself @ 6'2" and Judy @ 5'4', but the mirrors have done fine for 20 years. Plastic quarter windows can be tinted at home just like sunglasses, to match the windows or windshield.
M mangustamanMember
In my view the two mangustas shown illustrate why the car looks sooo much better with no mirrors at all.They are fine for the pantera ( my pantera has them on the quarter window) but not for the mangusta. Its design is so elegant that any add on sticks out like a sore thumb. Just look at JMM's car a few posts back and compare to the two cars above Jerry
bosswrenchbosswrenchMember
Esthetically, yes. Problem is, the mean ol' DMV in all States requires you to mount SOME sort of outside rear view mirror at least on the driver's side, in order to get a license plate & insurance. And simple self-preservation might also direct an owner that way if he intended to actually drive it on public roads. A racer or show car may get away with no mirrors (I think customizer Ed Roth's collection of outrageous car-thingys often lacked outside mirrors) but to me, that instantly marks such a car as a full-sized toy model, not an actual human-carrying vehicle. As far as Mangustas, I find those remote front fender-mounted mirrors are almost useless at detecting suicidal idiots or police close behind me. Form & function....
deniscdeniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
I happen to agree, designers often do not include the mirrors in their designs, but DMV, your safety, that of your car and that of others relies on the fact that the driver is seen and can be seen. So mirrors are essential.

Other item is the location and style of the mirror. Think small hot rod peep style mirror on window frame; would look out of place on this car. Forget the square style. 60's Mustang (or that of a F-246) chrome round style mirror mounted on door would not look agressive enough and stick out too much, 70's Mustang racing mirror mounted on door (with a lot of work) may look somewhat ok but too smooth for the car squarish edge look. The mirror of a F-345 mounted on the a pillar or corner of vent glass again would not look right.

I feel my Vitalone copies of 308 mirrors are a good fit for mine although their location on top of the fender (even if correct for the period) leave a lot to be desired (dates the car and poor rear view) and I will relocate them to the door when I will restore.

Denis
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quote:
Originally posted by JMM3:
Before I bought this Mangusta, I had made a few friends in the DeTomaso commmunity. Now that I have bought a Mangusta, I have made even more friends who want see pics.

When I bought the car, 8ma600, it had an 8 year old brand new paint job. I decided to fill in the little holes in the fenders for the Sebring mirrors. Then I decided to weld up the hole in the rear hatch where the power antenna was. Then there was a chip near one of doors....and a drip under the spoiler.....so while I was at it (famous last words).... we decided to paint the whole thing.

Since the car was completely apart, it was faster and nicer to just repaint every square inch than to mask off and blend panels. And of course a custom color change to more closely match the original was in order too.....

Jay; There is I believe a V-8 with downdraft Webbers in your garage?, can you please tell me about that motor, Thanks,.....Mark.
J jmm3Member
That motor is a spare motor, in addition to the almost original 302 with the original intake, jackshaft, all the pulleys etc. I am still trying to get the original 1968 block which is here in town somewhere.

That spare motor in the pic, will probably go in first, because of course it looks like the Corgi motor.

For the techies: It is a 2001 302 roller, with a 347 kit, 5.4 rods, 10.1:1 with ported GT40 heads. The cam is custom ground for use with webers, Basically a Comp Cams Weber grind, with more lift (575) and 112 lobe centers instead of 115.

The 48 IDA Webers are complicated, and I will post pics. Unfortunately, every manifold I could find required the carbs to be turned around so the fuel inlets and accel pumps were towards the inside, to clear the new jackshaft. The carbs were rotated with adapter plates and extra gaskets.
The jackshaft is tricky, using high speed flange bearings on lasercut mounts, and the aluminum pulleys are all new (in order to keep the all stock motor in one piece). The shaft itself is commercial, and uses a 5/8 ID Chevy power steering pulley in front, and a two groove Windsor water pump pulley which is also 5/8 bore. One inch shaft with 5/8 mounting.

I will post some more detailed motor pics later, I just finished the doors, with every single bolt, plate, screw and fitting rechromed or polished.
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panteradougpanteradougMember
I love your choices. I think what you did is the way to go except I'd want that to be my street engine.

I'd love to see pictures also when you get around to it.

I'm curious here though. Did anyone investigate running the Ford high rise 2x4 Holley manifold in a 'goose? Big Grin

I currently am running that in my 68 Shelby. I have the Webers on my Pantera.

The Shelby too has been stroked to 347 with race ported heads, 1.94/1.60 valves and a solid lifter cam.

I am impressed with the increase power and streetabilaty that the 2/4s bring. I suppose what I am really wondering is if the set up would fit in the 'goose?

Anyway, great choices on the race engine. Big Grin
mangustamangustaMember
Doug,

Quit trying to put more sh*t in the bucket! It's bad enuf with a jackshaft, AC compressor, alternator, smog pump...and now you want to put two carbs in the mix??? Smiler))))

I've never seen one in a Goose yet. I had the manifold for two AFB's but wanted the Holley one, so sold it.

Problem is height height height. It would necessitate cutting or removing the engine covers......as that intake is indeed rather tall at the rear. A good "low rise" version, if there ever was one, would perhaps be viable, but you'd probably have to carve up the jackshaft bracket so much that there'ld be nothing left of it to support the bearings!!

As I found out in Vegas two years ago, running an open air cleaner on one of these cars is a losing situation....unless you replace the element(s) ever season!!!! Unless you only dri ve the car on the trailer, off the trailer, on the trailer...... Wink)) Blech!!!

Ciao!
Steve
panteradougpanteradougMember
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Originally posted by Mangusta:
Doug,

Quit trying to put more sh*t in the bucket! It's bad enuf with a jackshaft, AC compressor, alternator, smog pump...and now you want to put two carbs in the mix??? Smiler))))

Ciao!
Steve


Steve. It's OK, I understand! roll on floor

I guess I actually have to have one of these in my hands to truly understand how the shielding is literally built for the intake height. I just figured that it would be easier to fit just two carbs rather then four?

By comparison, the Pantera is a piece of cake.

If there was a real 2/4 manifold for the Cleveland, I think I would go that way. I know Jeff Burgy had a 3x2 on his Pantera 20 years ago but that set up just doesn't run as well as the 2/4 Holley.

Trust me on this one. I have run a lot of combinations and the 2/4 may be the best of the lot? The thing just kicks ass and has a sound all of it's own when the secondaries open and give you that WOOOOMMMMP! Not quite on the same frequency as the Webers do.

Should I ask you if you tried the IDF's? You're not gonna' go ballistic on me are you? Big Grin

Hey listen now. If one crazy can't talk to another crazy then what has the world come to, huh? There are few that understand us you know.

My Shelby friends won't even talk to me when I tell them that I love Detomasos...and I thought there was a glimmer of hope in their little brains? Go figure. They must be jealous. Yup. That's what it must be alright?
mangustamangustaMember
...who understands me? Are they looking now??? WHere?

The other thing to consider, is that we're talking a 302 here, not a 351. SO, a 2x4 would require baby 450ish carbs if not even a tad smaller! (But I like the idea of a 2x4 on a sequential linkage setup! 2...4...EIGHT!!!)

I think at that point, I'd consider a SEFI setup, either conventional MAF, or an IR setup ala Weber look alike!

See my post on "Oops I'm doing it again..." for pic's on my clearance issues.... I set a GT40 SEFI intake on my old motor...and it fit with no clearance issues at all!!!! Hmmmm.....

What I am seeing from pic's that guys are sending me, is that the rear ZF mount location may have changed by as much as an inch or more, perhaps to allow for more ground clearance of the bellhousing! (Very early 289 HiPo cars had a smaller bellhousing (and flywheel), something I only realized recently. After that they got the same large diameter as the Pantera, and perhaps then they raised it a bit....but the locations still appear to be all over the map!)

I had the added enjoyment of figuring out that my front mounts had been raised 1.5" or so in order that the headers on the Boss 302 would clear the frame....which put any air cleaner I tried to fit, into the shields.... PO had actually butchered the shields and removed one of the stanchions on my car....ugh!

Thankfully, thru others that are doing various things to reconstruct their cars, and by searching the world over (literally!) I have some stanchions to weld back on, and some unmessed with shields to install, hopefully soon! At least in this decade....

I do have a factory C7ZX Shelby intake at home with matching carbs and air cleaner....just that the FE motor would last FAR longer than the chassis.....!!!! I want to find a good home for it...but haven't come up with it yet......like a 64 Fairlane.....!!!!

Steve
WHOO HOO!!! Schools out!!!...I mean work....
panteradougpanteradougMember
quote:
Originally posted by Mangusta:
...who understands me? Are they looking now??? WHere?
Ok, be misunderstood.

The other thing to consider, is that we're talking a 302 here, not a 351. SO, a 2x4 would require baby 450ish carbs if not even a tad smaller! (But I like the idea of a 2x4 on a sequential linkage setup! 2...4...EIGHT!!!)
Not so 450. My 347 eats up the 600s.

I think at that point, I'd consider a SEFI setup, either conventional MAF, or an IR setup ala Weber look alike!
Now your talkin'.

See my post on "Oops I'm doing it again..." for pic's on my clearance issues.... I set a GT40 SEFI intake on my old motor...and it fit with no clearance issues at all!!!! Hmmmm.....http://pantera.infopop.cc/groupee_common/ver1.3.4.9627/platform_images/blank.gif
I'll check it out

What I am seeing from pic's that guys are sending me, is that the rear ZF mount location may have changed by as much as an inch or more, perhaps to allow for more ground clearance of the bellhousing! (Very early 289 HiPo cars had a smaller bellhousing (and flywheel), something I only realized recently. After that they got the same large diameter as the Pantera, and perhaps then they raised it a bit....but the locations still appear to be all over the map!)

I had the added enjoyment of figuring out that my front mounts had been raised 1.5" or so in order that the headers on the Boss 302 would clear the frame....which put any air cleaner I tried to fit, into the shields.... PO had actually butchered the shields and removed one of the stanchions on my car....ugh!

Thankfully, thru others that are doing various things to reconstruct their cars, and by searching the world over (literally!) I have some stanchions to weld back on, and some unmessed with shields to install, hopefully soon! At least in this decade....

I do have a factory C7ZX Shelby intake at home with matching carbs and air cleaner....just that the FE motor would last FAR longer than the chassis.....!!!! I want to find a good home for it...but haven't come up with it yet......like a 64 Fairlane.....!!!!
What a coincidence. I have one on my 67 GT500 with matching 427 carbs. What a coincidence. I have one on my 67 GT500 with matching 427 carbs. Big Grin

Steve
WHOO HOO!!! Schools out!!!...I mean work....


I guess no one understands me either? Big Grin
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