My goodness, I did not notice that motor in the garage. Just what I need for my project race mangusta 8MA1034 . Sharp eye Mark! Jerry
That motor is a spare motor, in addition to the almost original 302 with the original intake, jackshaft, all the pulleys etc. I am still trying to get the original 1968 block which is here in town somewhere.
That spare motor in the pic, will probably go in first, because of course it looks like the Corgi motor.
For the techies: It is a 2001 302 roller, with a 347 kit, 5.4 rods, 10.1:1 with ported GT40 heads. The cam is custom ground for use with webers, Basically a Comp Cams Weber grind, with more lift (575) and 112 lobe centers instead of 115.
The 48 IDA Webers are complicated, and I will post pics. Unfortunately, every manifold I could find required the carbs to be turned around so the fuel inlets and accel pumps were towards the inside, to clear the new jackshaft. The carbs were rotated with adapter plates and extra gaskets.
The jackshaft is tricky, using high speed flange bearings on lasercut mounts, and the aluminum pulleys are all new (in order to keep the all stock motor in one piece). The shaft itself is commercial, and uses a 5/8 ID Chevy power steering pulley in front, and a two groove Windsor water pump pulley which is also 5/8 bore. One inch shaft with 5/8 mounting.
I will post some more detailed motor pics later, I just finished the doors, with every single bolt, plate, screw and fitting rechromed or polished.
That spare motor in the pic, will probably go in first, because of course it looks like the Corgi motor.
For the techies: It is a 2001 302 roller, with a 347 kit, 5.4 rods, 10.1:1 with ported GT40 heads. The cam is custom ground for use with webers, Basically a Comp Cams Weber grind, with more lift (575) and 112 lobe centers instead of 115.
The 48 IDA Webers are complicated, and I will post pics. Unfortunately, every manifold I could find required the carbs to be turned around so the fuel inlets and accel pumps were towards the inside, to clear the new jackshaft. The carbs were rotated with adapter plates and extra gaskets.
The jackshaft is tricky, using high speed flange bearings on lasercut mounts, and the aluminum pulleys are all new (in order to keep the all stock motor in one piece). The shaft itself is commercial, and uses a 5/8 ID Chevy power steering pulley in front, and a two groove Windsor water pump pulley which is also 5/8 bore. One inch shaft with 5/8 mounting.
I will post some more detailed motor pics later, I just finished the doors, with every single bolt, plate, screw and fitting rechromed or polished.
I love your choices. I think what you did is the way to go except I'd want that to be my street engine.
I'd love to see pictures also when you get around to it.
I'm curious here though. Did anyone investigate running the Ford high rise 2x4 Holley manifold in a 'goose?
I currently am running that in my 68 Shelby. I have the Webers on my Pantera.
The Shelby too has been stroked to 347 with race ported heads, 1.94/1.60 valves and a solid lifter cam.
I am impressed with the increase power and streetabilaty that the 2/4s bring. I suppose what I am really wondering is if the set up would fit in the 'goose?
Anyway, great choices on the race engine.
I'd love to see pictures also when you get around to it.
I'm curious here though. Did anyone investigate running the Ford high rise 2x4 Holley manifold in a 'goose?
I currently am running that in my 68 Shelby. I have the Webers on my Pantera.
The Shelby too has been stroked to 347 with race ported heads, 1.94/1.60 valves and a solid lifter cam.
I am impressed with the increase power and streetabilaty that the 2/4s bring. I suppose what I am really wondering is if the set up would fit in the 'goose?
Anyway, great choices on the race engine.
Doug,
Quit trying to put more sh*t in the bucket! It's bad enuf with a jackshaft, AC compressor, alternator, smog pump...and now you want to put two carbs in the mix???
))))
I've never seen one in a Goose yet. I had the manifold for two AFB's but wanted the Holley one, so sold it.
Problem is height height height. It would necessitate cutting or removing the engine covers......as that intake is indeed rather tall at the rear. A good "low rise" version, if there ever was one, would perhaps be viable, but you'd probably have to carve up the jackshaft bracket so much that there'ld be nothing left of it to support the bearings!!
As I found out in Vegas two years ago, running an open air cleaner on one of these cars is a losing situation....unless you replace the element(s) ever season!!!! Unless you only dri ve the car on the trailer, off the trailer, on the trailer......
)) Blech!!!
Ciao!
Steve
Quit trying to put more sh*t in the bucket! It's bad enuf with a jackshaft, AC compressor, alternator, smog pump...and now you want to put two carbs in the mix???
))))I've never seen one in a Goose yet. I had the manifold for two AFB's but wanted the Holley one, so sold it.
Problem is height height height. It would necessitate cutting or removing the engine covers......as that intake is indeed rather tall at the rear. A good "low rise" version, if there ever was one, would perhaps be viable, but you'd probably have to carve up the jackshaft bracket so much that there'ld be nothing left of it to support the bearings!!
As I found out in Vegas two years ago, running an open air cleaner on one of these cars is a losing situation....unless you replace the element(s) ever season!!!! Unless you only dri ve the car on the trailer, off the trailer, on the trailer......
)) Blech!!!Ciao!
Steve
quote:Originally posted by Mangusta:
Doug,
Quit trying to put more sh*t in the bucket! It's bad enuf with a jackshaft, AC compressor, alternator, smog pump...and now you want to put two carbs in the mix???
Ciao!
Steve
Steve. It's OK, I understand!
I guess I actually have to have one of these in my hands to truly understand how the shielding is literally built for the intake height. I just figured that it would be easier to fit just two carbs rather then four?
By comparison, the Pantera is a piece of cake.
If there was a real 2/4 manifold for the Cleveland, I think I would go that way. I know Jeff Burgy had a 3x2 on his Pantera 20 years ago but that set up just doesn't run as well as the 2/4 Holley.
Trust me on this one. I have run a lot of combinations and the 2/4 may be the best of the lot? The thing just kicks ass and has a sound all of it's own when the secondaries open and give you that WOOOOMMMMP! Not quite on the same frequency as the Webers do.
Should I ask you if you tried the IDF's? You're not gonna' go ballistic on me are you?
Hey listen now. If one crazy can't talk to another crazy then what has the world come to, huh? There are few that understand us you know.
My Shelby friends won't even talk to me when I tell them that I love Detomasos...and I thought there was a glimmer of hope in their little brains? Go figure. They must be jealous. Yup. That's what it must be alright?
...who understands me? Are they looking now??? WHere?
The other thing to consider, is that we're talking a 302 here, not a 351. SO, a 2x4 would require baby 450ish carbs if not even a tad smaller! (But I like the idea of a 2x4 on a sequential linkage setup! 2...4...EIGHT!!!)
I think at that point, I'd consider a SEFI setup, either conventional MAF, or an IR setup ala Weber look alike!
See my post on "Oops I'm doing it again..." for pic's on my clearance issues.... I set a GT40 SEFI intake on my old motor...and it fit with no clearance issues at all!!!! Hmmmm.....
What I am seeing from pic's that guys are sending me, is that the rear ZF mount location may have changed by as much as an inch or more, perhaps to allow for more ground clearance of the bellhousing! (Very early 289 HiPo cars had a smaller bellhousing (and flywheel), something I only realized recently. After that they got the same large diameter as the Pantera, and perhaps then they raised it a bit....but the locations still appear to be all over the map!)
I had the added enjoyment of figuring out that my front mounts had been raised 1.5" or so in order that the headers on the Boss 302 would clear the frame....which put any air cleaner I tried to fit, into the shields.... PO had actually butchered the shields and removed one of the stanchions on my car....ugh!
Thankfully, thru others that are doing various things to reconstruct their cars, and by searching the world over (literally!) I have some stanchions to weld back on, and some unmessed with shields to install, hopefully soon! At least in this decade....
I do have a factory C7ZX Shelby intake at home with matching carbs and air cleaner....just that the FE motor would last FAR longer than the chassis.....!!!! I want to find a good home for it...but haven't come up with it yet......like a 64 Fairlane.....!!!!
Steve
WHOO HOO!!! Schools out!!!...I mean work....
The other thing to consider, is that we're talking a 302 here, not a 351. SO, a 2x4 would require baby 450ish carbs if not even a tad smaller! (But I like the idea of a 2x4 on a sequential linkage setup! 2...4...EIGHT!!!)
I think at that point, I'd consider a SEFI setup, either conventional MAF, or an IR setup ala Weber look alike!
See my post on "Oops I'm doing it again..." for pic's on my clearance issues.... I set a GT40 SEFI intake on my old motor...and it fit with no clearance issues at all!!!! Hmmmm.....
What I am seeing from pic's that guys are sending me, is that the rear ZF mount location may have changed by as much as an inch or more, perhaps to allow for more ground clearance of the bellhousing! (Very early 289 HiPo cars had a smaller bellhousing (and flywheel), something I only realized recently. After that they got the same large diameter as the Pantera, and perhaps then they raised it a bit....but the locations still appear to be all over the map!)
I had the added enjoyment of figuring out that my front mounts had been raised 1.5" or so in order that the headers on the Boss 302 would clear the frame....which put any air cleaner I tried to fit, into the shields.... PO had actually butchered the shields and removed one of the stanchions on my car....ugh!
Thankfully, thru others that are doing various things to reconstruct their cars, and by searching the world over (literally!) I have some stanchions to weld back on, and some unmessed with shields to install, hopefully soon! At least in this decade....
I do have a factory C7ZX Shelby intake at home with matching carbs and air cleaner....just that the FE motor would last FAR longer than the chassis.....!!!! I want to find a good home for it...but haven't come up with it yet......like a 64 Fairlane.....!!!!
Steve
WHOO HOO!!! Schools out!!!...I mean work....
quote:Originally posted by Mangusta:
...who understands me? Are they looking now??? WHere?
Ok, be misunderstood.
The other thing to consider, is that we're talking a 302 here, not a 351. SO, a 2x4 would require baby 450ish carbs if not even a tad smaller! (But I like the idea of a 2x4 on a sequential linkage setup! 2...4...EIGHT!!!)
Not so 450. My 347 eats up the 600s.
I think at that point, I'd consider a SEFI setup, either conventional MAF, or an IR setup ala Weber look alike!
Now your talkin'.
See my post on "Oops I'm doing it again..." for pic's on my clearance issues.... I set a GT40 SEFI intake on my old motor...and it fit with no clearance issues at all!!!! Hmmmm.....http://pantera.infopop.cc/groupee_common/ver1.3.4.9627/platform_images/blank.gif
I'll check it out
What I am seeing from pic's that guys are sending me, is that the rear ZF mount location may have changed by as much as an inch or more, perhaps to allow for more ground clearance of the bellhousing! (Very early 289 HiPo cars had a smaller bellhousing (and flywheel), something I only realized recently. After that they got the same large diameter as the Pantera, and perhaps then they raised it a bit....but the locations still appear to be all over the map!)
I had the added enjoyment of figuring out that my front mounts had been raised 1.5" or so in order that the headers on the Boss 302 would clear the frame....which put any air cleaner I tried to fit, into the shields.... PO had actually butchered the shields and removed one of the stanchions on my car....ugh!
Thankfully, thru others that are doing various things to reconstruct their cars, and by searching the world over (literally!) I have some stanchions to weld back on, and some unmessed with shields to install, hopefully soon! At least in this decade....
I do have a factory C7ZX Shelby intake at home with matching carbs and air cleaner....just that the FE motor would last FAR longer than the chassis.....!!!! I want to find a good home for it...but haven't come up with it yet......like a 64 Fairlane.....!!!!
What a coincidence. I have one on my 67 GT500 with matching 427 carbs. What a coincidence. I have one on my 67 GT500 with matching 427 carbs.
Steve
WHOO HOO!!! Schools out!!!...I mean work....
I guess no one understands me either?
pics. sorry about the lighting, the sun shines right in the garage at that time of day.
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Jay,
VERY NICE!!!!
Steve
VERY NICE!!!!
Steve