George,
Is it too late to order a manifold? I would also like to order one if possible? Thanks,
Michael
Not too late Michael, we're in a holding pattern waiting on the manufacturer to say he's ready to make them.
so far we have: Jake, Ian, Julian, Marcus, Ed, Michael and me (cowboy from hell).
That's seven orders, unless Julian still plans to order two.
Still haven't heard yeah or nay from Jim Coyne.
cowboy from hell
Ed, Lyle Waggoner's Italia was one of the cars stolen in the original Gone In Sixty Seconds movie.
so far we have: Jake, Ian, Julian, Marcus, Ed, Michael and me (cowboy from hell).
That's seven orders, unless Julian still plans to order two.
Still haven't heard yeah or nay from Jim Coyne.
cowboy from hell
Ed, Lyle Waggoner's Italia was one of the cars stolen in the original Gone In Sixty Seconds movie.
George,
I'm back to one, I only went to two to make the 15% level of discount kick in. If Jim Coyne steps up, plus one other, I'll do the same and stump for two to make 10 and get the 20% to kick in.
Hopefully that may be incentive for anyone who is so-so to come forward as cost will be down to AUD$600 ~ US$500 at today's exchange rate.
Julian
I'm back to one, I only went to two to make the 15% level of discount kick in. If Jim Coyne steps up, plus one other, I'll do the same and stump for two to make 10 and get the 20% to kick in.
Hopefully that may be incentive for anyone who is so-so to come forward as cost will be down to AUD$600 ~ US$500 at today's exchange rate.
Julian
Here's the latest news from Mark of Aussie Speed:
Quote:
""Hi George just a quick hello & to let you know I have been speaking to the guys at CHI & I may be looking at an IDF manifold to suit their heads. The 2V & 4V manifold wont line up as the 3V heads have a higher floor & taller port...The normal 2v & 4v cain inlet manifold is making progress...regards Mark""
Quote:
""Hi George just a quick hello & to let you know I have been speaking to the guys at CHI & I may be looking at an IDF manifold to suit their heads. The 2V & 4V manifold wont line up as the 3V heads have a higher floor & taller port...The normal 2v & 4v cain inlet manifold is making progress...regards Mark""
Amazing. I do predict that it is going to get taller though. Oh I forgot. The Pantera Witchdoctor has Mark in his power. Right on brother!
How much would it cost to cast one up in Magnesium? It would be the same process but with a different alloy wouldn't it?
How much would it cost to cast one up in Magnesium? It would be the same process but with a different alloy wouldn't it?
quote:Originally posted by italia11:
But I figure it's worth $500-$800 to me to get the system somewhere near right when it hits my door.
Agreed. I spent a fair bit on Holley parts setting up my 700 DP, and there are only two each of fewer variables. Being close to correct at the start would be worth a premium.
quote:Just out of curiosity...how do you plan to set your Cleveland up?
A previous owner put in a bit more of a cam, and the car has real headers. It has MSD ignition, rev-limited to 6500RPM. I'm not sure what kind of power it makes. (I was supposed to find out tomorrow, but my dyno day has been deferred again.)
I don't really care how much power the car has, and there are a couple of reasons for this.
First, for a street car there are no rules; anyone with more money than you can build a more powerful motor than yours. With a race car, the challenge is to have the best motor you can within the rules, and what's more, you get a chance to prove yours is best.
Second, for 99.9999999% of the time, all that power is worse than useless in a street car. Outside of on a straight, deserted highway or the salt flats, I defy anyone to keep their accelerator pedal on the floor for more than 10 or 15 seconds straight. If the pedal isn't on the floor, you obviously don't need the power. Racing is another story; you are either hard on the gas or hard on the brake, from the start until the checkered flag.
My goal with these Webers is to have a motor that is highly responsive to the throttle. Responsiveness is more important and more fun in a street car than absolute power.
I loved jazzing the throttle linkage on my freshly-reassembled Formula Ford motor whenever I first lit it up on reinstallation in the car; such a crisp response, both for climbing and falling RPM. The sound was so unlike a street car, which takes forever for the RPM to drop. And... it had a Weber.
quote:Originally posted by mrr:
...My goal with these Webers is to have a motor that is highly responsive to the throttle. Responsiveness is more important and more fun in a street car than absolute power...
I find your attitude so refreshing Marcus! A kindred spirit.
George
George,
Let me know when you are collecting the funds for this.
Julian
Let me know when you are collecting the funds for this.
Julian
Gentlemen,
Here's the latest update from Mark of Aussie Speed:
Quote:
My version of the 2V/4V Cain IDF manifold is near completion & I hope to get the first casting done in the next few weeks. I have so many new products on the go at the moment & the hardest thing is keeping up with the money to throw at them all.
Keep in touch & I will keep working hard at it & hope to have some pics for your group of buyers soon (or better still a manifold) ..
Regards Mark
Here's the latest update from Mark of Aussie Speed:
Quote:
My version of the 2V/4V Cain IDF manifold is near completion & I hope to get the first casting done in the next few weeks. I have so many new products on the go at the moment & the hardest thing is keeping up with the money to throw at them all.
Keep in touch & I will keep working hard at it & hope to have some pics for your group of buyers soon (or better still a manifold) ..
Regards Mark
Any update on how far along this is with the Aussie's??
Hi all,
My first post here. I don't own a Pantera but hope to one day as I have been a lifelong fan.
My Q is for Joules5 or George. Do either of you know what manifold is pictured in the shot posted
by Joules. What struck me was the rear mounted
thermostat housing. I had one of those smack yourself on the forehead moments when I saw that.
Not only for the ease of maintanance but also
elinating some of the coolant tube clutter from the front of the engine.
The other major advantage to this layout may be an improvment in cooling. I've read Taphorn's
article on cooling and correct me if i'm wrong
but isn't the back of the heads one of the places that air pockets develop due to the eng. being
slightly nose down?
In the pick it looks like this might be a mod
because it appears the filler neck dealio has it's own secondary flange. Did anyone ever cast any mani's with the therm. housing on the back?
peace, Kiley
My first post here. I don't own a Pantera but hope to one day as I have been a lifelong fan.
My Q is for Joules5 or George. Do either of you know what manifold is pictured in the shot posted
by Joules. What struck me was the rear mounted
thermostat housing. I had one of those smack yourself on the forehead moments when I saw that.
Not only for the ease of maintanance but also
elinating some of the coolant tube clutter from the front of the engine.
The other major advantage to this layout may be an improvment in cooling. I've read Taphorn's
article on cooling and correct me if i'm wrong
but isn't the back of the heads one of the places that air pockets develop due to the eng. being
slightly nose down?
In the pick it looks like this might be a mod
because it appears the filler neck dealio has it's own secondary flange. Did anyone ever cast any mani's with the therm. housing on the back?
peace, Kiley
Hi George,
I am fairly new to the Community and am wondering if the order has been placed for these manifolds already? What a great idea, thank you.
Rob #9317
I am fairly new to the Community and am wondering if the order has been placed for these manifolds already? What a great idea, thank you.
Rob #9317
No Rob,
The order has not been placed, I haven't heard from Mark of Aussie Speed since my last post. I'll keep everyone updated each step of the way right here in this topic.
cowboy from hell
The order has not been placed, I haven't heard from Mark of Aussie Speed since my last post. I'll keep everyone updated each step of the way right here in this topic.
cowboy from hell
George,
Just resurrecting this post, any news or progress from Mark?
Just resurrecting this post, any news or progress from Mark?
Julian & all,
Here's an update from Mark of Aussie Speed:
Quote:
Hi George great to hear from you...The manifold has not advanced a lot,I have been very busy with the other products I make,I am waiting on the tool maker I use to make the machining fixture to have them CNC machined...not long till xmas so it is a new year project...
regards, Mark
Here's an update from Mark of Aussie Speed:
Quote:
Hi George great to hear from you...The manifold has not advanced a lot,I have been very busy with the other products I make,I am waiting on the tool maker I use to make the machining fixture to have them CNC machined...not long till xmas so it is a new year project...
regards, Mark
quote:Do either of you know what manifold is pictured in the shot posted
by Joules. What struck me was the rear mounted
thermostat housing.
Well, since the Cleveland thermo housing is in the BLOCK, not the intake, I would certainly venture that that photo shot is NOT IDF Webers on a Cleveland.
Someone else care to guess what is really going on here?
Larry
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What it appears to be is a 302 intake manifold with spacer plates mounted backwards. The heads look to be the Ford Motorsport and the block looks like a 9.2" rather then a 9.5.
Must be the doing of those screwy Aussies!
Must be the doing of those screwy Aussies!
Doug has it nailed.
The Pantera is in Australia, as can be deduced by its New South Wales license plate. Its a real deal GT5, chassis number 9365.
The motor is a 406 cubic inch Ford SVO (windsor) crate motor, SVO heads, custom made intake for individual runner fuel injection using Motec engine management. Owner claims 485 bhp at the rear wheels.
The owner doesn't specify if the block is 9.2" deck or 9.5" deck, nor does he specify what motor the intake manifold was originally designed for. But with that integral thermostat housing, you can fairly well bet it was a Windsor. Notice the separate lifter valley cover below the intake manifold.
The coolant can be set up to exit just about anywhere on the SVO heads. Aesthetically I think the motor/engine compartment looks better with the coolant plumbing routed up front, oem fashion.
The best coolant flow path would require coolant to exit the front and back of both heads, i.e. 4 corners. That's very common race practice. The next best configuration would have the coolant exit the rear end of the motor, with air bleeds on both heads at the other end. That's probably what has been done here.
cowboy from hell
The Pantera is in Australia, as can be deduced by its New South Wales license plate. Its a real deal GT5, chassis number 9365.
The motor is a 406 cubic inch Ford SVO (windsor) crate motor, SVO heads, custom made intake for individual runner fuel injection using Motec engine management. Owner claims 485 bhp at the rear wheels.
The owner doesn't specify if the block is 9.2" deck or 9.5" deck, nor does he specify what motor the intake manifold was originally designed for. But with that integral thermostat housing, you can fairly well bet it was a Windsor. Notice the separate lifter valley cover below the intake manifold.
The coolant can be set up to exit just about anywhere on the SVO heads. Aesthetically I think the motor/engine compartment looks better with the coolant plumbing routed up front, oem fashion.
The best coolant flow path would require coolant to exit the front and back of both heads, i.e. 4 corners. That's very common race practice. The next best configuration would have the coolant exit the rear end of the motor, with air bleeds on both heads at the other end. That's probably what has been done here.
cowboy from hell
Hello to George and all my friends with Panteras..
Would it be an appropriate time to re-open the subject of our IDF manifold group buy? I can almost hear the sounds and see those eight stubby velocity stacks under the hood.
Would be glad to help any way possible, perhaps with an advance deposit,or some earnest begging!
Hope the new year finds all is well with you...
Ed (Italia11)
Would it be an appropriate time to re-open the subject of our IDF manifold group buy? I can almost hear the sounds and see those eight stubby velocity stacks under the hood.
Would be glad to help any way possible, perhaps with an advance deposit,or some earnest begging!
Hope the new year finds all is well with you...
Ed (Italia11)
Anybody remaining interested in the Cain 351C-2V intake for 48IDF carbs, or anybody with new interest in this manifold, private message me.
cowboy from hell
cowboy from hell