It was suggested that I place the Pantera on a service such as Ebay. Should be interesting.
Ebay listing
Keith.
Well its over 30k and climbing. Despite my not understanding the description editing feature and being listed for under 24 hours. I do have someone coming this Saturday to look at the car however. Former Pantera owner and a Pantera enthusiast, which is nice. Maybe the auction will end early. I put a new yellow top Optima in it this morning and a case of Brad Penn oil showed up so the old girl can get some new life blood in her.
Keith.
Keith.
I think it is going to go for a lot more than 35. 
These posts are all just criticisms that we all must survive when we go to sell.
Why others who have a Pantera also are being stressed because "you" are getting way too much for the car is beyond me? I don't understand that? A rising tide floats all boats?
Everything works for you and against you at the same time. Originality vs. modified.
It's always 'too something'? You are either too tall or too short? Too smart or too stupid? etc, etc, etc. Is anything or anyone ever just right?
I see it as similar to getting a job based upon your resume? The same credentials that got you hired are going to be the reason that the company fires you when 'they" deem it necessary and you are now in the way?
You just saved them the effort and documented it for them in your own resume.
These posts are all just criticisms that we all must survive when we go to sell.
Why others who have a Pantera also are being stressed because "you" are getting way too much for the car is beyond me? I don't understand that? A rising tide floats all boats?
Everything works for you and against you at the same time. Originality vs. modified.
It's always 'too something'? You are either too tall or too short? Too smart or too stupid? etc, etc, etc. Is anything or anyone ever just right?
I see it as similar to getting a job based upon your resume? The same credentials that got you hired are going to be the reason that the company fires you when 'they" deem it necessary and you are now in the way?
You just saved them the effort and documented it for them in your own resume.
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I think it is going to go for a lot more than 35.
These posts are all just criticisms that we all must survive when we go to sell.
Why others who have a Pantera also are being stressed because "you" are getting way too much for the car is beyond me? I don't understand that? A rising tide floats all boats?
Everything works for you and against you at the same time. Originality vs. modified.
It's always 'too something'? You are either too tall or too short? Too smart or too stupid? etc, etc, etc. Is anything or anyone ever just right?
I see it as similar to getting a job based upon your resume? The same credentials that got you hired are going to be the reason that the company fires you when 'they" deem it necessary and you are now in the way?
You just saved them the effort and documented it for them in your own resume.
Yes, I think your on the money with originality vs modified. It may always be too something. For me being I built the car a number of years back and built it to suite me I guess I did not really think about it being to anything to anyone else.
How does it all work out when it comes time to sell? Thinking about putting on my big boy pants and makinging it a straight out auction. 110 watchers, 3 thousand views, its over 50K now and ends in 4 days around noon. Might make a nice Christmas present for somebody.
Keith.
quote:Originally posted by kghills:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
I think it is going to go for a lot more than 35.
These posts are all just criticisms that we all must survive when we go to sell.
Why others who have a Pantera also are being stressed because "you" are getting way too much for the car is beyond me? I don't understand that? A rising tide floats all boats?
Everything works for you and against you at the same time. Originality vs. modified.
It's always 'too something'? You are either too tall or too short? Too smart or too stupid? etc, etc, etc. Is anything or anyone ever just right?
I see it as similar to getting a job based upon your resume? The same credentials that got you hired are going to be the reason that the company fires you when 'they" deem it necessary and you are now in the way?
You just saved them the effort and documented it for them in your own resume.
Yes, I think your on the money with originality vs modified. It may always be too something. For me being I built the car a number of years back and built it to suite me I guess I did not really think about it being to anything to anyone else.
How does it all work out when it comes time to sell? Thinking about putting on my big boy pants and makinging it a straight out auction. 110 watchers, 3 thousand views, its over 50K now and ends in 4 days around noon. Might make a nice Christmas present for somebody.
Keith.
There is definitely something in the air? I wouldn't make too quick of a decision. The buy it now is reasonable in my view.
You simply can't build one for that money now.
Most recently the Ford GT's were "kicking around" for about $125k.
You would be pressed to find one under $250k at the moment.
There are definitely people on the hunt right now for Panteras BEFORE they become un-affordable.
You don't turn down this kind of a car because you don't like the wheels?
Well, my Pantera hit reserve. As long as the winning bidder actually pays for it, she will have a new owner and I will have room for a new Shelby.
Congratulations Keith, it's a clean car. Hopefully it will go higher for you in the final hours. Good luck!
quote:Originally posted by Tim S:
Congratulations Keith, it's a clean car. Hopefully it will go higher for you in the final hours. Good luck!
Thank you Tim. There appear to be about 142 watchers. I'm hoping there will be a little more activity in the final moments. If not, I guess my reserve will be what it's worth.
Keith.
Well, I guess that ebay auctuon was a waste of time. Apparently there were no serious bidders. At least the guy who hit my reserve was decent enough to call me at the end of the auction. I guess having the reserve so far under the buy it now was not the best idea. Seems to have caused a bit of despair in some guys marriage.
Well back to the auction block it goes, new format. Wish me luck I guess. Car must not be worth as much as I thought.
Keith.
Well back to the auction block it goes, new format. Wish me luck I guess. Car must not be worth as much as I thought.
Keith.
So what really happened?
You met your reserve, and the car appears to be sold at a price of 60K....
Seems like the eBay auction did what it was supposed to do, based on the parameters the seller set up prior to auction start.....
Did the auction winner back out after submitting a winning bid?
Rocky
You met your reserve, and the car appears to be sold at a price of 60K....
Seems like the eBay auction did what it was supposed to do, based on the parameters the seller set up prior to auction start.....
Did the auction winner back out after submitting a winning bid?
Rocky
I'm sorry to hear it didn't sell Keith. I thought it sold for 60k. Should go for more. You have a nice solid car. It's just a matter of time before someone buys it at the price you want. I noticed Mecum is auctioning 5 panteras in January. Should be interesting to see what they go for.
quote:Originally posted by Rocky:
So what really happened?
You met your reserve, and the car appears to be sold at a price of 60K....
Seems like the eBay auction did what it was supposed to do, based on the parameters the seller set up prior to auction start.....
Did the auction winner back out after submitting a winning bid?
Rocky
Rocky, the short answer is he did not expect to hit the reserve with his bid. To his credit he did call me immediately after the auction and explain his situation. I'm not going to get to hung up on it at this point. I relisted the car as a straight auction. That shouldn't confuse people as much hopefully. In any case depending on the weather I plan to pick up a 2013 GT500 next week. The Shelby might just need to sit in the trailer till spring when I can make a little more room if the Pantera does not sell.
I still think the Pantera should be an 85k type car. I would think 60 is being very fair and would hope it goes to a good home.
Keith.
Thanks - Sorry to hear it.
Too bad people are out there just "playing with the system" instead of being serious about what they are doing.
Good luck next time.
Rocky
Too bad people are out there just "playing with the system" instead of being serious about what they are doing.
Good luck next time.
Rocky
Rocky, the short answer is he did not expect to hit the reserve with his bid. To his credit he did call me immediately after the auction and explain his situation.
Is this a case for Ebay?
When you are bidding you hope you win?
Did you give the winner a bad feedback?
otherwise the feedback registration is also nothing where you can trust on.
Simon
Is this a case for Ebay?
When you are bidding you hope you win?
Did you give the winner a bad feedback?
otherwise the feedback registration is also nothing where you can trust on.
Simon
quote:Originally posted by Simon:
Rocky, the short answer is he did not expect to hit the reserve with his bid. To his credit he did call me immediately after the auction and explain his situation.
Is this a case for Ebay?
When you are bidding you hope you win?
Did you give the winner a bad feedback?
otherwise the feedback registration is also nothing where you can trust on.
Simon
Hey Simon. Yeah, might be a case, I don't know, but if the buyer doesn't or can't complete the deal I don't really know what happens. I guess it's to near Christmas for me to pursue. I just agreed to cancel the transaction. Maybe my fault for having the spread between reserve and buy it now 25k. A fair amount of people were bidding while feeling "safe" maybe. Changed that this time around.
You know, kind of a shame. It's really not a bad car. I was pretty sure there would have been more serious interest at my reserve. Shows what I know. Not that much any more.
Keith.
Keith,
You did nothing wrong and eBay worked to a point, what failed is a deadbeat bidder. He has admitted that he had no real interest in buying the car, but bid anyway just for fun. Well in any real World auction he'd be buying that car or being sued, unfortunately this is one area where eBay fails and more people are bidding on items they have no intention of buying.
If the bidder had really been surprised he hit the reserve then he could have retracted his bid immediately as there is function for that. Instead he let it ride 3 days until the auction ended. You must contact eBay and file a non paying bidder report, or you will be charged selling fees as in their eyes the auction completed and the deadbeat gets to go ruin someone else's auction in future.
I have had items relisted on eBay 3-4 times, eventually you get to the right buyer, just bear with it. Don't forget the auction also ended over Christmas and many people are focused on the holidays and family.
Personally I also think you'd attract more potential buyers if you went ahead and removed the roll bar, reinstalled the oem seats and an all black steering wheel, although you offer to swap it out many buyers can't see past what's there.
The market may be softening a bit, all stock is still fetching the big money, it will be interesting to see what the 6 Pantera's at Mecum in January fetch.
Good luck,
Julian
You did nothing wrong and eBay worked to a point, what failed is a deadbeat bidder. He has admitted that he had no real interest in buying the car, but bid anyway just for fun. Well in any real World auction he'd be buying that car or being sued, unfortunately this is one area where eBay fails and more people are bidding on items they have no intention of buying.
If the bidder had really been surprised he hit the reserve then he could have retracted his bid immediately as there is function for that. Instead he let it ride 3 days until the auction ended. You must contact eBay and file a non paying bidder report, or you will be charged selling fees as in their eyes the auction completed and the deadbeat gets to go ruin someone else's auction in future.
I have had items relisted on eBay 3-4 times, eventually you get to the right buyer, just bear with it. Don't forget the auction also ended over Christmas and many people are focused on the holidays and family.
Personally I also think you'd attract more potential buyers if you went ahead and removed the roll bar, reinstalled the oem seats and an all black steering wheel, although you offer to swap it out many buyers can't see past what's there.
The market may be softening a bit, all stock is still fetching the big money, it will be interesting to see what the 6 Pantera's at Mecum in January fetch.
Good luck,
Julian
quote:Originally posted by Joules:
Keith,
You did nothing wrong and eBay worked to a point, what failed is a deadbeat bidder. He has admitted that he had no real interest in buying the car, but bid anyway just for fun. Well in any real World auction he'd be buying that car or being sued, unfortunately this is one area where eBay fails and more people are bidding on items they have no intention of buying.
If the bidder had really been surprised he hit the reserve then he could have retracted his bid immediately as there is function for that. Instead he let it ride 3 days until the auction ended. You must contact eBay and file a non paying bidder report, or you will be charged selling fees as in their eyes the auction completed and the deadbeat gets to go ruin someone else's auction in future.
I have had items relisted on eBay 3-4 times, eventually you get to the right buyer, just bear with it. Don't forget the auction also ended over Christmas and many people are focused on the holidays and family.
Personally I also think you'd attract more potential buyers if you went ahead and removed the roll bar, reinstalled the oem seats and an all black steering wheel, although you offer to swap it out many buyers can't see past what's there.
The market may be softening a bit, all stock is still fetching the big money, it will be interesting to see what the 6 Pantera's at Mecum in January fetch.
Good luck,
Julian
Personally I just want to move beyond the first auction and dealing with it. I cancelled the transaction and am moving on. I had some time today and removed my Sparco seats and the roll bar. I updated my Ebay auction and Craigslist add. I am getting some calls and feel it should move to a new baby sitter soon. It looks so plain with the stock seats.
Keith.
Hi, you have a great car. Back in June I would have picked it up had it been on EBay. I bought my red 72 on eBay for about the same price so don't despair with the service. You have to wade through the mud a little to get to your buyer. I prefer the yellow and chrome bumper but the belts and steering wheel will put some folks off. If you want your price buy a black steering wheel for less than $200. Replacing the belts with some black ones won't hurt either. I wouldn't take it personally. It is just marketing. With these cars you have a smaller pool of buyers than a Ferrari or Porsche so it just makes sense to bring it back as close to conservative as possible that is reasonable..Good luck with the sale.
Best,
Shashi
Best,
Shashi
quote:I wouldn't take it personally. It is just marketing.
Ya-know, interestingly enough, I do think there is some truth to this, and I guess I understand the buyer reasons that if they are going to spend that much on a car they want things just so.
I come at it a bit differently. If you find a nice car that you’d otherwise be willing to spend $60k on, would you really walk from it because of the color of the steering wheel or seat belts? I barely noticed them. Why not just buy it and replace them if they don't suit you? Of all the reasons to own a Pantera or buy or pass on a particular car, the easily changeable items don’t make my list.
Sort of reminds me of selling my house and people saying they’d buy it except they didn’t like the color of the paint on the dining room or kid's bedroom walls. Same thing, walk from a six figure purchase over the cost of a gallon of paint? So when I asked what color they preferred and offered to paint it if they signed a purchase contract I concluded they weren't really buyers.
Best,
Kelly
Thanks Kelly, you look at the sale of a car a lot like I do I think. However it was easy enough to pull the roll bar and swap seats. I see your in Iowa. Not that far from me in Southern WI. Are you familiar with Cory at Collectors Choice? He always used to have a lot of Panteras and GT40s around his shop years ago. Now he seems to have mainly Vipers through.
Interesting to see if the car gets any bids. Lots of watchers and views. I'm in Myrtle Beach at the moment picking up a highly modified GT500. Not sure where to put it when get home but I suppose that's not a super bad problem to have.
Happy New Year, Keith.
Interesting to see if the car gets any bids. Lots of watchers and views. I'm in Myrtle Beach at the moment picking up a highly modified GT500. Not sure where to put it when get home but I suppose that's not a super bad problem to have.
Happy New Year, Keith.