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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
See them occasionally come up for auction on eBay, & as I recall go for $650.00+++ a set.
Plus some/a lot of users have complaints...
http://www.clubcobra.com/forum...1c-valve-covers.html
...Mark
See them occasionally come up for auction on eBay, & as I recall go for $650.00+++ a set.
Plus some/a lot of users have complaints...
http://www.clubcobra.com/forum...1c-valve-covers.html
...Mark
quote:Originally posted by Gunner:
I am looking to buy a pair of these Ford SVO valve covers....any leads???
I recognize that picture. Do you just like the look of them or do you actually want to use them as a stud girdle too? The set in the picture just had the stud hardware mounted in place with short cap screws so they bolt on like any valve cover. How much you looking to spend? I don't think the figure cited earlier will even come close these days. They are very "collectable".
Best,
K
would use as stud girdle as well...they are cool and would be great on my ne engine rebuild. anything for sale would be considered.
That's what I have on my Group 4 383. I saw some on eBay about a year ago that sold for $7,500, and it was a used set. I was going to get another set just to have them until I saw the bidding. Maybe just because they are hard to find, who knows. Search the web, I am sure there are some around, and for better price! No problems experienced with mine. The guy I bought my car from took me for a ride and reved the RPMs hard at 6,500+ quite a bit till I wet my pants. He said that was one of the benefits of the stud girdle (not the wet pants, but RPM). I would think there should be something similar around to get the same benefits for less cost.
I have Ford Motorsport valve covers that clear the stud girdles. Have had no problems and can rev and alot less cost.
My stud girdle
My stud girdle
I am Quite Familiar with eBay auction prices in regards to this Specific Valve cover.quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 1Rocketship:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DOES 200:
That's what I have on my Group 4 383. I saw some on eBay about a year ago that sold for $7,500, and it was a used set. I was going to get another set just to have them until I saw the bidding. Maybe just because they are hard to find, who knows. Search the web, I am sure there are some around, and for better price! No problems experienced with mine. The guy I bought my car from took me for a ride and reved the RPMs hard at 6,500+ quite a bit till I wet my pants. He said that was one of the benefits of the stud girdle (not the wet pants, but RPM). I would think there should be something similar around to get the same benefits for less cost.
NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!.
Here is a SOLD example...
http://www.boss302.com/smf/ind....msg407425#msg407425
This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!.
COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00
You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!
In unrelated news "Does200" has confirmed that "Pig do fly" & "Ellen DeGeneres has married Brad Pitt"...Mark
They are like the Autolite inline carbs. There are so few that you can name your price on them.
In talking to Kelly, you are actually talking to one of THE collectors of both.
On the covers something in the $3,000 to $3,500 a set is the neighborhood. For that, I would want the complete set with the original rocker studs. Most of those are already missing out of the set.
On the Autolites? Probably the same per carb.
It doesn't matter really. Look at what the 10" Campis are going for now.
On the covers, I didn't want them at $300 a set. When you get up close, they aren't what you think.
The Blue Thunder Competition valve covers are much nicer. On those you could have them CNC engraved with Detomaso and that is good enough to have people shooting pictures of your engine and thinking that they came off of a Detomaso Formula 1 engine.
That's the way I'd go. Forget about the Ford Motorsport ones. Wait a few years and there will be lots of wives selling their husbands "estate sales". Lots of them hanging on shop walls for decoration still. The shops don't need to be cleaned out yet.
I'd spend my money on the 10" Campis rather than the valve covers or the Autolites.
There is a chance that Blue Thunder would at some point make the valve covers and I'd rather have Weber 48ida's than the Autolites. That's just me. It just takes one person somewhere willing to pay the asking price that resets the high end number. Then it becomes the Cobra syndrom, i.e., the higher they go, the better the investment and the more in demand they are. Reality then has nothing to do with anything.
In talking to Kelly, you are actually talking to one of THE collectors of both.
On the covers something in the $3,000 to $3,500 a set is the neighborhood. For that, I would want the complete set with the original rocker studs. Most of those are already missing out of the set.
On the Autolites? Probably the same per carb.
It doesn't matter really. Look at what the 10" Campis are going for now.
On the covers, I didn't want them at $300 a set. When you get up close, they aren't what you think.
The Blue Thunder Competition valve covers are much nicer. On those you could have them CNC engraved with Detomaso and that is good enough to have people shooting pictures of your engine and thinking that they came off of a Detomaso Formula 1 engine.
That's the way I'd go. Forget about the Ford Motorsport ones. Wait a few years and there will be lots of wives selling their husbands "estate sales". Lots of them hanging on shop walls for decoration still. The shops don't need to be cleaned out yet.
I'd spend my money on the 10" Campis rather than the valve covers or the Autolites.
There is a chance that Blue Thunder would at some point make the valve covers and I'd rather have Weber 48ida's than the Autolites. That's just me. It just takes one person somewhere willing to pay the asking price that resets the high end number. Then it becomes the Cobra syndrom, i.e., the higher they go, the better the investment and the more in demand they are. Reality then has nothing to do with anything.
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship: NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!. Here is a SOLD example...This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!...... COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00 ...... You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!...Mark
Have you ever actually owned, bought, or sold a set of these at that price or just read about it? Just wondering based upon your replies and comments to the other members post's above. Last two complete sets I sold for $1750 and that was 2 years ago. The last two broken/incomplete sets I saw sell (because I was outbid) sold for >=$1250.
-My 2 cents. If there is serious interest I can help. $700 is not serious.
Best,
K
quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship: NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!. Here is a SOLD example...This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!...... COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00 ...... You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!...Mark
Have you ever actually owned, bought, or sold a set of these at that price or just read about it? Just wondering based upon your replies and comments to the other members post's above. Last two complete sets I sold for $1750 and that was 2 years ago. The last two broken/incomplete sets I saw sell (because I was outbid) sold for >=$1250.
-My 2 cents. If there is serious interest I can help. $700 is not serious.
Best,
K
That was serious 2 years ago. What is serious today?
I owned/utilized/SOLD a set 4 years ago for $550.00.quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship: NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!. Here is a SOLD example...This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!...... COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00 ...... You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!...Mark
Have you ever actually owned, bought, or sold a set of these at that price or just read about it? Just wondering based upon your replies and comments to the other members post's above. Last two complete sets I sold for $1750 and that was 2 years ago. The last two broken/incomplete sets I saw sell (because I was outbid) sold for >=$1250.
-My 2 cents. If there is serious interest I can help. $700 is not serious.
Best,
K
Was happy to sell for $550.00
In my opinion, MUCH better ways to strength rocker arm studs.
I understand about market fluctuations, timing, & an individual's need for certain parts.
I'm a patient buyer whilst others may have less regard for waiting.
As a don't consider an over inflated purchase price as the norm, but rather an anomaly.
That is why I sited 2 purchase price examples, "1" for $450.00, "1" for $550.00.
Yes the examples were 2 years old, BUT a set of valve covers does NOT increase in value approximately 1,400% ( from $550.00 to $7,500.00) in 2 years!!!...Mark
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:I owned/utilized/SOLD a set 4 years ago for $550.00.quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship: NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!. Here is a SOLD example...This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!...... COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00 ...... You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!...Mark
Have you ever actually owned, bought, or sold a set of these at that price or just read about it? Just wondering based upon your replies and comments to the other members post's above. Last two complete sets I sold for $1750 and that was 2 years ago. The last two broken/incomplete sets I saw sell (because I was outbid) sold for >=$1250.
-My 2 cents. If there is serious interest I can help. $700 is not serious.
Best,
K
Was happy to sell for $550.00
In my opinion, MUCH better ways to strength rocker arm studs.
I understand about market fluctuations, timing, & an individual's need for certain parts.
I'm a patient buyer whilst others may have less regard for waiting.
As a don't consider an over inflated purchase price as the norm, but rather an anomaly.
That is why I sited 2 purchase price examples, "1" for $450.00, "1" for $550.00.
Yes the examples were 2 years old, BUT a set of valve covers does NOT increase in value approximately 1,400% ( from $550.00 to $7,500.00) in 2 years!!!...Mark
There are lots of people who list items for sale on Ebay for a ridiculously inflated price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Origin...em567032f4ad&vxp=mtr
There are many reasons including they are sharks attempting to price gouge the gullible or they just have no freakin' clue at all?
You can list the starting or buy it now for whatever you want BUT I think it is a more accurate statement of value to check "completed auctions".
Asking $7,500 has absolutely no basis in any reality that I know of in this Universe or known dimension.
The only criticism I would have is about this discussion and why would anyone even bring this up as even for serious consideration and debate?
Only a chimpanze with a fist full of $100 bills would even be in danger of such a purchase. Why worry about it at all?
The valve cover makes for quick access to the valve train, as used in race application for this reason, not as a stud girdle, it is not a stud girdle.
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:I owned/utilized/SOLD a set 4 years ago for $550.00.quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship: NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!. Here is a SOLD example...This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!...... COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00 ...... You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!...Mark
Have you ever actually owned, bought, or sold a set of these at that price or just read about it? Just wondering based upon your replies and comments to the other members post's above. Last two complete sets I sold for $1750 and that was 2 years ago. The last two broken/incomplete sets I saw sell (because I was outbid) sold for >=$1250.
-My 2 cents. If there is serious interest I can help. $700 is not serious.
Best,
K
Was happy to sell for $550.00
In my opinion, MUCH better ways to strength rocker arm studs.
I understand about market fluctuations, timing, & an individual's need for certain parts.
I'm a patient buyer whilst others may have less regard for waiting.
As a don't consider an over inflated purchase price as the norm, but rather an anomaly.
That is why I sited 2 purchase price examples, "1" for $450.00, "1" for $550.00.
Yes the examples were 2 years old, BUT a set of valve covers does NOT increase in value approximately 1,400% ( from $550.00 to $7,500.00) in 2 years!!!...Mark
There are lots of people who list items for sale on Ebay for a ridiculously inflated price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Origin...em567032f4ad&vxp=mtr
There are many reasons including they are sharks attempting to price gouge the gullible or they just have no freakin' clue at all?
You can list the starting or buy it now for whatever you want BUT I think it is a more accurate statement of value to check "completed auctions".
Asking $7,500 has absolutely no basis in any reality that I know of in this Universe or known dimension.
The only criticism I would have is about this discussion and why would anyone even bring this up as even for serious consideration and debate?
Only a chimpanze with a fist full of $100 bills would even be in danger of such a purchase. Why worry about it at all?
Hey Doug! How about I buy those valve covers for $375 and sell em to you for $80 plus shipping!
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:I owned/utilized/SOLD a set 4 years ago for $550.00.quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship: NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!. Here is a SOLD example...This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!...... COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00 ...... You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!...Mark
Have you ever actually owned, bought, or sold a set of these at that price or just read about it? Just wondering based upon your replies and comments to the other members post's above. Last two complete sets I sold for $1750 and that was 2 years ago. The last two broken/incomplete sets I saw sell (because I was outbid) sold for >=$1250.
-My 2 cents. If there is serious interest I can help. $700 is not serious.
Best,
K
Was happy to sell for $550.00
In my opinion, MUCH better ways to strength rocker arm studs.
I understand about market fluctuations, timing, & an individual's need for certain parts.
I'm a patient buyer whilst others may have less regard for waiting.
As a don't consider an over inflated purchase price as the norm, but rather an anomaly.
That is why I sited 2 purchase price examples, "1" for $450.00, "1" for $550.00.
Yes the examples were 2 years old, BUT a set of valve covers does NOT increase in value approximately 1,400% ( from $550.00 to $7,500.00) in 2 years!!!...Mark
There are lots of people who list items for sale on Ebay for a ridiculously inflated price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Origin...em567032f4ad&vxp=mtr
There are many reasons including they are sharks attempting to price gouge the gullible or they just have no freakin' clue at all?
You can list the starting or buy it now for whatever you want BUT I think it is a more accurate statement of value to check "completed auctions".
Asking $7,500 has absolutely no basis in any reality that I know of in this Universe or known dimension.
The only criticism I would have is about this discussion and why would anyone even bring this up as even for serious consideration and debate?
Only a chimpanze with a fist full of $100 bills would even be in danger of such a purchase. Why worry about it at all?
Please explain why you feel this specific type of valve cover... "The valve cover makes for quick access to the valve train, as used in race application for this reason, not as a stud girdle, it is not a stud girdle".quote:Originally posted by pantera chris:
The valve cover makes for quick access to the valve train, as used in race application for this reason, not as a stud girdle, it is not a stud girdle.quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:I owned/utilized/SOLD a set 4 years ago for $550.00.quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship: NO WAY !!!!!...a set sold for $7,500.00!!!. Here is a SOLD example...This is what bothers me about the internet!!!!...... COMPLETELY ERRONEOUS CLAIMS!!!...stated as "Facts"!!!!!...
MOST I have EVER seen/heard a set sold for was $700.00 ...... You need to check your Medications!!!...BEFORE posting something Sooooooooooo OUTRAGEOUS!!!...Mark
Have you ever actually owned, bought, or sold a set of these at that price or just read about it? Just wondering based upon your replies and comments to the other members post's above. Last two complete sets I sold for $1750 and that was 2 years ago. The last two broken/incomplete sets I saw sell (because I was outbid) sold for >=$1250.
-My 2 cents. If there is serious interest I can help. $700 is not serious.
Best,
K
Was happy to sell for $550.00
In my opinion, MUCH better ways to strength rocker arm studs.
I understand about market fluctuations, timing, & an individual's need for certain parts.
I'm a patient buyer whilst others may have less regard for waiting.
As a don't consider an over inflated purchase price as the norm, but rather an anomaly.
That is why I sited 2 purchase price examples, "1" for $450.00, "1" for $550.00.
Yes the examples were 2 years old, BUT a set of valve covers does NOT increase in value approximately 1,400% ( from $550.00 to $7,500.00) in 2 years!!!...Mark
There are lots of people who list items for sale on Ebay for a ridiculously inflated price.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Origin...em567032f4ad&vxp=mtr
There are many reasons including they are sharks attempting to price gouge the gullible or they just have no freakin' clue at all?
You can list the starting or buy it now for whatever you want BUT I think it is a more accurate statement of value to check "completed auctions".
Asking $7,500 has absolutely no basis in any reality that I know of in this Universe or known dimension.
The only criticism I would have is about this discussion and why would anyone even bring this up as even for serious consideration and debate?
Only a chimpanze with a fist full of $100 bills would even be in danger of such a purchase. Why worry about it at all?
In actuality those valve covers requires MORE TIME to remove!
Not only do you have the 8 valve cover bolts to remove, PLUS the 8 acorn nuts!
How does having to remove TWICE as many bolts/nuts as a standard Cleveland valve cover, equate to "Quick Access to the valve train"?!...
It's a rhetorical question.
With members posting $7,500.00 valve covers & now it's quicker to remove 16 nuts & bolts than 8...I believe MANDATORY drug testing is in order, prior to posting!!!...
...Mark
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fordgt:
Hey Doug! How about I buy those valve covers for $375 and sell em to you for $80 plus shipping!
[QUOTE]
I don't know who the last manufacturer of them was. I think at one time it was Offenhauser?
I do remember about four or five years ago that one of the Pantera parts vendors announced they were informed no more would be made.
I don't know if that is true or not and IF the vendors are just using up existing stock right now?
Hum? $80 huh? I don't know? Can't you do a little better?
I guess a Chevy guy would have no idea who Hall Pantera was and that they sell them for 159.99 new right? Maybe he can put them on his Nova SS? Typical if you ask me?
Hey Doug! How about I buy those valve covers for $375 and sell em to you for $80 plus shipping!
[QUOTE]
I don't know who the last manufacturer of them was. I think at one time it was Offenhauser?
I do remember about four or five years ago that one of the Pantera parts vendors announced they were informed no more would be made.
I don't know if that is true or not and IF the vendors are just using up existing stock right now?
Hum? $80 huh? I don't know? Can't you do a little better?
I guess a Chevy guy would have no idea who Hall Pantera was and that they sell them for 159.99 new right? Maybe he can put them on his Nova SS? Typical if you ask me?
quote:
I believe MANDATORY drug testing is in order, prior to posting!!!...
Mark it is very important to time "ones drugs " properly as well as the dosages.
I know I do.
Since the OP posted a wanted thread, as a courtesy it might be appropriate to start a separate discussion thread on these valve covers and use this thread to suggest leads on the part.
Gunner, there’s an old adage about something being worth what someone will pay. A corollary to that might be: Sometimes it’s better to gage market value from those that actually have a set to sell instead of just an opinion. Feel free to drop me a PM.
Best,
K
Gunner, there’s an old adage about something being worth what someone will pay. A corollary to that might be: Sometimes it’s better to gage market value from those that actually have a set to sell instead of just an opinion. Feel free to drop me a PM.
Best,
K
There's also ANOTHER adage/phrase..."A sucker is born every minute"...Markquote:Originally posted by Panterror:
Since the OP posted a wanted thread, as a courtesy it might be appropriate to start a separate discussion thread on these valve covers and use this thread to suggest leads on the part.
Gunner, there’s an old adage about something being worth what someone will pay. A corollary to that might be: Sometimes it’s better to gage market value from those that actually have a set to sell instead of just an opinion. Feel free to drop me a PM.
Best,
K
"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase most likely spoken by David Hannum, in criticism of both P. T. Barnum, an American showman of the mid 1800s, and his customers. The phrase is often credited to Barnum himself. It means "Many people are gullible, and we can expect this to continue."
Excellent point Doug!!!...have to factor in the time it takes the the drug to "Kick In"!!!...being a child of the "Psychedelic Era"( 4 way hits of window pane LSD) & later the "Disco Era" ( Peruvian fish scale flake cocaine), I've had my moments of "Mind Alteration"!!!...Markquote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:
I believe MANDATORY drug testing is in order, prior to posting!!!...
Mark it is very important to time "ones drugs " properly as well as the dosages.
I know I do.
WOW!!! what a stir of emotions and opinions....one of the reasons for my interest in the valve cover is the unique look it gives to the engine...kind a cool....the rare find is also worth something...but not the inflated values stated...I believe in paying for the exclusive piece and would pay over the $600.00 mark and price depends on how complete the package is that is offered....extended studs, shape of the covers etc. Not sure how to PM members but if you have a set PM me so I can respond. Great comments on the post.
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:.....I owned/utilized/SOLD a set 4 years ago for $550.00.
That's good to know. What type of heads did you run them on?
quote:Was happy to sell for $550.00
If they were complete sets I'd be happy to buy at that price and would be very appreciative of any such opportunities you could direct my way.
Best,
K
Hello K; In my never ending quest to add to my Sports Car Collection ( currently at 16) I have a chance/opportunity to meet a very eclectic group of automotive enthusiasts.quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:.....I owned/utilized/SOLD a set 4 years ago for $550.00.
That's good to know. What type of heads did you run them on?quote:Was happy to sell for $550.00
If they were complete sets I'd be happy to buy at that price and would be very appreciative of any such opportunities you could direct my way.
Best,
K
I have a 1973 Mach 1 Cobra Jet factory 4-speed "Highly Optioned" car.
Car is a "1" of "1" according to the Marti Report.
I was looking for a set of factory OEM seatbelts for my 1973 Mach 1. The seatbelts are "1" year only, so I meet a gentlemen who had a VERY NICE set.
Went to his home & amongst a plethora of Mustang parts he also had a Boss 351 Cleveland engine, that included the valve covers being discussed.
I had some date coded correct Boss 302 heads he was interested in.
A deal was struck & I acquired the Seat Belts & a BOSS 351 engine.
Last month I went to look at a Lola T70 replica to buy. The Lola was a Great Buy!!!...BUT the cockpit was "Glove Tight" & for myself, rather claustrophobic, so I passed.
The owner of the Lola T70 is quite famous in the Ford Racing Crowd, & has amassed a vast collection of VERY $$$$$$$ Ford Racing engines/parts.
We happened upon talking about Clevelands & "Jerry's" eyes LITE UP!!!...Jerry LOVES Cleveland's & Ford 427 Cammers!!!.
Long story short...Acquired a "Hank the Crank" destroker crankshaft that reduces a 351 Cleveland to a 331 Cleveland...Jerry goes..."JUST TAKE IT!!!"...I gave Jerry a Benji for beer money.
I could inquire for you if Jerry has any of the valve covers in question...Mark
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:....Went to his home & amongst a plethora of Mustang parts he also had a Boss 351 Cleveland engine, that included the valve covers being discussed.
Got it. Did you run them too or just acquire them that way?
quote:I could inquire for you if Jerry has any of the valve covers in question...Mark
If you get the chance that would be great.
I did a couple tech articles on these VCs a long time ago addressing what I held to be the fact and fiction. It used to be posted a 335 series forum and a couple others but I couldn't find it in the new forum....unfortunately I could find some of the misinformation. I've even had some of the misinformation attributed to me merely because I responded to threads that contained it but didn't specific cite and refute it.
I'll dig it and post it in a new thread if anyone is interested.
Best,
K
Damn, away for a couple days & see the post grew big, partly due to my mention of eBay price. Shill bidders? Who knows. Some can be real tools...usually see that on other forums and not the true DeTomaso Community.
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:Your post bothers me. You make a mistake ( typo) & seemingly want to blame others.quote:Originally posted by DOES 200:
Damn, away for a couple days & see the post grew big, partly due to my typo of eBay price. Some can be real tools...usually see that on other forums and not the true DeTomaso Community.
GLAD I was able to post your original reply BEFORE you edited it!
Even your TYPO you did NOT want to admit to!
How about taking responsibility for you own error/TYPO, and not seeking refuge/solace amongst the "true DeTomaso Community", which there is no such commodity/group.
Mark
On behalf of all members, please do not muddy up the forums with disputes or critiques of other members.
quote:Originally posted by George P:
This is getting old.
DO NOT muddy up the forums with your disputes. Keep them private.
I agree, poor Gunner had a simple question, then post turned south. The forum had not used to be like that in the past. As for my post, yes price was typo when I went back to check and 1200 seemed like shill bidding as it seemed excessive. Like I said, probably more reasonable covers out there that do the same without the cost. The guy that was selling them on eBay said he valued them so much that he just had them hanging on the wall admiring them like a painting.
Here in the link is some info the guy sent to me. Not sure if it can be viewed well or not, as I need to be on my computer to see it, not on iPad: https://www.flickr.com/photos/...9222739254/lightbox/
quote:Originally posted by DOES 200:quote:Originally posted by George P:
This is getting old.
DO NOT muddy up the forums with your disputes. Keep them private.
I agree, poor Gunner had a simple question, then post turned south. The forum had not used to be like that in the past. As for my post, yes price was typo when I went back to check and 1200 seemed like shill bidding as it seemed excessive. Like I said, probably more reasonable covers out there that do the same without the cost. The guy that was selling them on eBay said he valued them so much that he just had them hanging on the wall admiring them like a painting.
Here in the link is some info the guy sent to me. Not sure if it can be viewed well or not, as I need to be on my computer to see it, not on iPad: https://www.flickr.com/photos/...9222739254/lightbox/
Yup, that's them. Probably would work well in certain applications. Definitely intended as a combination stud girdle with a unique design to reduce the bulk of a valve cover intended to cover the structure of some billet girdle of the day.
The installation instructions clearly indicate they are intended to be a stud girdle. It's right there in black and white.
I agree that they are not for speed installation on an engine, they are cumbersome to install and they eat up the o-rings as a result. The acorn nuts needed to be stainless rather than chromed steel so they would stay looking good.
Many of the sets that I have seen had been stripped of the crinkle paint and just painted black engine paint.
On my car you do not want to keep pulling off the valve covers. Several of the bottom bolts on them disappear under the header tubes and laying across the engine with the decklid on is not what my body was designed to do.
These covers are nothing but a curiosity and in my opinion are best applied to a display hanging on my shop wall. There are significantly better valve covers to use.
In addition, they never came on any kind of Ford production vehicle or were never seen on any factory race cars of the era, so there really is very little provenance to add to the value.
They do fit into the category of nice industrial art though. I do agree with that and art is worth whatever one is willing to pay for it? Of course this is just my opinion and others see it differently, which is fine by me. No foul, no harm.
quote:In addition, they never came on any kind of Ford production vehicle or were never seen on any factory race cars of the era, so there really is very little provenance to add to the value.
Neither were a good many of other Ford parts. Well, that’s why they were made available through what was commonly known as “the over the counter program”.
Come on guys, seriously, they’re a 30+ year old novelty part that was only offered for a short time by Ford. There are many other parts that could be described as the same that by today’s standards have no place today as a real performance part and have really been relegated to collector stuff.
I really don’t care if people like or don’t like the part in question, they’re novel. The only thing that bothers me is inaccurate statements tend to be made in support of the criticism of the part, which often times is only information that has been read and repeated, and that’s what gets memorialized as supposed fact on internet threads like this along with all the other noise and nonsense. I quit posting here for a couple years for much the same reason…..signal to noise ratio.
I tried earlier and was just going to start a different thread but then the rest of the information still stands by itself I just don’t have the time to do it.
George, I’ll make you a deal. This weekend I’ll dig out the information I posted to Blizz’s forum some years ago, that apparently got lost in the transition to the new forum, if you would kindly take the time strip everything out of this thread that isn’t actually a response to the wanted ad, which seems to be just about everything, and start a new thread in what I suppose should be the engines forum....or, I suppose the easier thing to do would either be nothing, or just delete anything that’s not a response to the original post and call it a day. –Your forum, your shout.
Best,
K
quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:In addition, they never came on any kind of Ford production vehicle or were never seen on any factory race cars of the era, so there really is very little provenance to add to the value.
Neither were a good many of other Ford parts. Well, that’s why they were made available through what was commonly known as “the over the counter program”.
Come on guys, seriously, they’re a 30+ year old novelty part that was only offered for a short time by Ford. There are many other parts that could be described as the same that by today’s standards have no place today as a real performance part and have really been relegated to collector stuff.
I really don’t care if people like or don’t like the part in question, they’re novel. The only thing that bothers me is inaccurate statements tend to be made in support of the criticism of the part, which often times is only information that has been read and repeated, and that’s what gets memorialized as supposed fact on internet threads like this along with all the other noise and nonsense. I quit posting here for a couple years for much the same reason…..signal to noise ratio.
I tried earlier and was just going to start a different thread but then the rest of the information still stands by itself I just don’t have the time to do it.
George, I’ll make you a deal. This weekend I’ll dig out the information I posted to Blizz’s forum some years ago, that apparently got lost in the transition to the new forum, if you would kindly take the time strip everything out of this thread that isn’t actually a response to the wanted ad, which seems to be just about everything, and start a new thread in what I suppose should be the engines forum....or, I suppose the easier thing to do would either be nothing, or just delete anything that’s not a response to the original post and call it a day. –Your forum, your shout.
Best,
K
Get real Kelley. It is simply your toes getting stepped on because YOU are trying to support your own investment on speculation in these things.
YOU still haven't stated what YOU think the "getting real price" is on these.
Like they say in the financial circles, "follow the money". That will show everyone's true colors for sure.
These covers are NOTHING but novelty items.
quote:YOU still haven't stated what YOU think the "getting real price" is on these. Like they say in the financial circles, "follow the money". That will show everyone's true colors for sure.
Untrue. I responded in the first page of the thread with what I had actually sold sets for. I asked what the OP what he intended to do with them because that would affect the condition and of course price….just like everything else, condition and intended use affects value. It’s like asking what a collector car is worth. Is it a rusted out hulk or undriven survivor and does the person asking want a driver or trailer queen?
I also responded to Gunner with a reply to his PM. Since you seem prone to speculating upon everyone’s motivations, perhaps you should take a spin back through the thread and ponder why that information changed hands in that manner instead of in the thread and then post some more of your dribble on that subject.
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug: Get real Kelley. It is simply your toes getting stepped on because YOU are trying to support your own investment on speculation in these things.
Also untrue. It’s just hobby not investment for me and if you knew me, you would know that’s the case……. The fact is you don’t know me yet you think you’re qualified to comment upon my motivations…..which of course you’re not…..but thank you for making my point that there are those that feel compelled to comment on things they know nothing about.
-Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
K
quote:Originally posted by Panterror:quote:YOU still haven't stated what YOU think the "getting real price" is on these. Like they say in the financial circles, "follow the money". That will show everyone's true colors for sure.
Untrue. I responded in the first page of the thread with what I had actually sold sets for. I asked what the OP what he intended to do with them because that would affect the condition and of course price….just like everything else, condition and intended use affects value. It’s like asking what a collector car is worth. Is it a rusted out hulk or undriven survivor and does the person asking want a driver or trailer queen?
I also responded to Gunner with a reply to his PM. Since you seem prone to speculating upon everyone’s motivations, perhaps you should take a spin back through the thread and ponder why that information changed hands in that manner instead of in the thread and then post some more of your dribble on that subject.quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug: Get real Kelley. It is simply your toes getting stepped on because YOU are trying to support your own investment on speculation in these things.
Also untrue. It’s just hobby not investment for me and if you knew me, you would know that’s the case……. The fact is you don’t know me yet you think you’re qualified to comment upon my motivations…..which of course you’re not…..but thank you for making my point that there are those that feel compelled to comment on things they know nothing about.
-Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.
K
It appears to me that any one defending these valve covers unreasonably has another motive and that is what I question and why?
The most obvious, is there an investment in them?
I see nowhere where you stated "I will sell a set to you for...". I see you stated that you paid $1,200 for a set two years ago.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. What was the amount you stated that you will sell a set for now?
"Follow the money". Often explains many motivations and actions.
Discussing over value has little to do with the integrity, quality or lack of it from anyone. A "reasonable" amount is what both sellers and buyers usually aim for, but what's reasonable to one is not to another?
Ultimately the issue here is this thread needs to be moderated.
If it was me, I'd throw out the entire thread except Gunners original request.
This is all just bringing out the ugliness in everyone and that is not the purpose of the forum. Not mine either.
It should not be the purpose of the forum either that people come here to "hawk" their wears. Many of us, me included, are interested in new innovative products.
Agreed that is easier said than done but I think that should be the spirit of it.
I'm no angel but I state the price up front.
Lots of times when people don't like my comments it's simply because I am in the way of them selling their wears and showing others a less expensive alternative. Maybe a better one too?
Comes back to the rules of the house. I don't own this place. Someone else does.
The Proprietor just wants everyone to have a good time in his place but at some point he just finally asks everyone to shut up or leave his establishment. Me too.