THPNPS07262 Why?

Sad to see it defaced. I bet the e-bay final price will reflect its aesthetics.

Can you please post the eBay auction ID? I could not find it on eBay.

One of the negatives of owning a Pantera is that they are cheap enough that people do not understand how special they are and do some pretty far out stuff to them. The good part is that every time someone trashes their Pantera with some dumb thing it makes each one of the survivors a little bit more valuable.

Mike

Link below.

The first picture in the listing is very misleading.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...?hash=item33568745d6

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One of the negatives of owning a Pantera is that they are cheap enough that people do not understand how special they are and do some pretty far out stuff to them. The good part is that every time someone trashes their Pantera with some dumb thing it makes each one of the survivors a little bit more valuable.

Mike, I feel cars like this bring down Pantera values because of public perception as a custom “kit” car. Not a wonderful blending of Italian style and Ford power.

Looks like the rust worms have been very busy on the passenger side wheel house. Makes you wonder why anyone would pay $2,201.00 for it.

Mike

Butchery. Not to mention the headlight mod significantly reduces the effectiveness of the headlights. I wonder if he butchers those Vettes he's working on? Looks like a '63 split window behind it and another mid-year back in the corner.

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One of the negatives of owning a Pantera is that they are cheap enough that people do not understand how special they are and do some pretty far out stuff to them. The good part is that every time someone trashes their Pantera with some dumb thing it makes each one of the survivors a little bit more valuable.

Mike, I feel cars like this bring down Pantera values because of public perception as a custom “kit” car. Not a wonderful blending of Italian style and Ford power.

I hear you! As a group we are probably too accepting of those that do non-de Tomaso stuff to their cars. I know that I tend to bite my tongue rather than telling someone they are a stupid fool and they should be thrashed for what they did to their Pantera. Just like your car and my car have GT5 hood vents. Hard to undo that type of stuff although it was a de Tomaso factory option that the factory would put on any car you took to the factory.

Mike

What front air dam is that?

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What front air dam is that?

Looks like a GT5 reproduction piece and the upper part that fits into the front fender flare is not very visible.

Mike

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Butchery. Not to mention the headlight mod significantly reduces the effectiveness of the headlights. I wonder if he butchers those Vettes he's working on? Looks like a '63 split window behind it and another mid-year back in the corner.

Yeah he is butchering that '63 Vette as well. Note the big block installed which requires notching the front cross member on 63-64's, and I believe I see an after market aluminum front suspension as well. Nothing is sacrid!

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What front air dam is that?

Looks like a GT5 reproduction piece and the upper part that fits into the front fender flare is not very visible.

Mike

It looks like a GT5 that (kinda) fits a non-flared L.

Looks like a fiberglassed conrete block to me....maybe the weight helps prevent front end lift

On a more serious note Larry Stock makes this style of air dam for a narrow body car. The fit looks bad as it's resting on the block at an angle and not afixed to the car.

Julian

Hi guys,
I was looking at this thread and found something kind of "Odd" If you look at the pictures posted on the E-Bay add, don't you think it kind of odd that the shot of the front of the motor shows Yellow paint? Well guess what? That is a picture that I posted here of my car when I did my Intake and Carb upgrade. See this thread and compare.

http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...=741103931#741103931

Scroll down, look and compare. That's my wife's green Oakland A's Flag that's in the picture to the left that you see out the passenger side window.
When my step son gets home I'll have him post the seller asking wherte he got that photo from. (He has an E-bay account)

So pass it on for buyers to beware of this one.

George

Bottom line, I believe this sell is a scam!

Buyers Beware!

George

I find it very deceptive that the main picture is also not the car for sale He does disclose this in the description but again he is using someone else’s car probably without their knowledge.

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When my step son gets home I'll have him post the seller asking where he got that photo from.

I just did that.

Another letter wouldn't hurt, though.

Larry

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That is a picture that I posted here of my car when I did my Intake and Carb upgrade

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That's my wife's green Oakland A's Flag that's in the picture to the left that you see out the passenger side window.

George,

You should contact eBay with this info.

John

I sent them a complaint too, maybe if they get enough they'll do something about it.

I sent a message to the seller asking what was up, also a formal complaint to E-bay concerning the seller's use of my picture. We'll wait and see.

He responded to my question, and to geoshanna's.

Seems like perhaps an honest mistake.

Larry

I would describe it as "open, honest and transparent F R A U D"

I personaly dont like the square headlights .. but I'll step up and defend the originality of the person altering this pantera.

The nature of this site has always been to respect each other and that most Panteras are altered in same way to reflect each persons personality.

I own both a 95% original 79 Euro GTS and a significantly altered all metal 73L which was the perfect canidate for a custom GR4.

With that said I would rather see the owner speak up here on the site then be ashame and have to defend his taste.

Also it takes talent, vision to perform these types of alterations.

But lets say on the other hand I also protect the bone stock car I own also.

A little respect goes a long way ...to each his own.

And to add a little chuckle I trashed and butchered mine too.

Ron

If some guy has poor taste in Panteras or Vettes, well, too bad for us. I'm amazed auto makers can actually sell half the cars I see on the road. Guys have bad taste in a lot of other things too but it's a right of ownership. And there aren't any laws against it. And don't get me started on more useless regulation - even if it's to protect a Pantera connoisseur from disgraceful mods. After all, some consider my mods shameful. Other give me awards.

Who are we to tell others what they can or can't do to their stuff. Just think, if we forced good taste on people what would happen to all those great "redneck" videos on YouTube?

Hi guy's! This is my Pantera some of you have been trashing and even in public on EBAY! Here is a little history to set the record straight!! I found this car in the hands of a monster...who altered the headlights...and was going to cut the (Titled with no wrecks) pantera into pieces and make a drag car!!! I was so devistated that I paid the guy (Guy Anderson of Georgia) $12,000 just to save this awesome and beautiful piece of history and pride, not including the $900 I spent having it transported to nebraska! Then I spent over $5000 in parts to bring it from it's original shell...see the pantera registry of which I will post a link later when I originally bought this condemned princess. And then later a $5000 motor, and a $12,000 rebuilt polished ZF transmission. And all of this mind you because I am such a Pantera fan that I would save any one of them if I could and restore it to it's original perfection!!

If that’s the case, then GOOD for you and sorry you find it necessary to sell it.

Mike

And now I have spent over $4000 on rust repair and body repair. Well long story short this passion for such a wonderful automobile has led to my divorce and a looming bankrupcy!!! So talk about a true Pantera enthusiest??? Then to have the piers you have spent two years sharing advice and buying the parts (at %50 over the true value they should be, because they are from the angelic Detomaso!!!), my comrades butcher me in this site and on EBAY!! WOW!!! I am so devistated that I am at a loss for words?? Thank you good PI people for all the wondeful advice and help, and KISS MY ASS to all of you that have become so absorbed in yourselfs that you post a thread here insulting me and the car I tried to save from the graveyard----before doing your homework!!

Pantera7262

I will agree with you that keeping one of these cars alive is also a passion of mine. I sold my 66 Shelby GT350H and bought my Pantera for many reasons. The foremost is that I can do whatever I want to the Pantera to make it mine. Unlike the Shelby, where they all look the same.

I can understand your frustration on the responces your got here concerning your E-bay add. I'm sorry if I added fuel to the fire questioning the use of the picture of my car. If I had known that the person selling the car was a member here and asked permission to use that picture I would have gladly agreeded to do so and would have offered more picture if needed.

As far as I'm concerned, this thread should be removed and I want to say I'm sorry for adding any negative feelings toward any Pantera owners.

If there is anything I can be assistance of, please let me know.

George

Thank you my friend!! I obviously never meant to take something of yours to sell my beloved Pantera...In fact it would have never been offered for sell other than the fact that my passion has economically had negative impacts on my life...even though i would cut off a toe just to drive one of these masterpieces...of which i have never had such a privelege even after $35,000 of expenses to resore!!!!

I truely love my car and all of those wonderful Pantera enthusiasts I have met along my journey of restoration, and I am sorry that this car has caused such turmoil?

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geoshanna

to geoshanna, and others... I am very sorry as I never meant any fraud...I actually had used your photo as a template for my re-assembly and it was mixed into my progress photo's.

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my comrades butcher me in this site and on EBAY!! WOW!!!

First off, I am sure I speak for not just myself, but for everyone here on the forum, that the forced sale of your Pantera is a sad thing for all of us to watch. Honestly, we feel your pain and hope your life will soon settle back to a good place.

As one of those who did write to you through eBay, I do however feel it is unfair to say you were butchered on eBay, by me or anyone else.

The question I sent did not have to be answered.

You took the high road and answered the questions from geoshanna and me, answers which automatically are sent to the questioner. Unless eBay has recently changed the process, it was YOU who then chose to have those questions/answers posted to the auction listing.

As the discussion of the interior photo was ongoing at the P.I. forum, that was really the place for you to publicly post your answers.

As for the postings here in this thread that alluded to an auction fraud, perhaps you will recall the thread some time ago about 7001 - the car from Canadian Andrew that was totaled in a T-bone accident. At that time you were among the many who expressed thanks for the heads-up on the true situation of that car. Due to the geoshanna photo and your use of the silver GT5 as your LEAD auction photo, it did begin to appear that some deception was present in your auction. Just like with 7001, that was a valid issue for discussion.

I believe this could have been handled better by all of us.

Might I suggest you cancel the eBay auction - state it is no longer available for sale, as is often the case on auto sales.

Then redo your auction in a less confusing manner, more carefully pick which questions/answers you wish to add to your auction, and let the new auction run, free of the turmoil that came with the first listing.

I'm sorry for any grief I may have added to this matter. That was not my intent.

Larry

I've been a member of this forum from probably about 2000 (I don't know why it says 2002), and over the past year or so, I've seen petty bickering and disrespect that has never existed here before. There is enough of that going on in our everday lives, and I for one come here for the positive reinforcement of one of my favorite passions, not another helping of BS! (Not that this statement necessarily refers to this thread, but to the forums as a whole.)

One of the reasons I don't own a Ferrari is because I can't stomach the general 'snooty' Ferrari owner's attitude. (Of course, not all.)

The thing I like most about Pantera ownership is that my car is like no other, as are most of the Panteras out there. I really enjoy seeing the mods, how they're executed, and the ideas they foster. We are all individuals here, and not all dressed in 'red and tan'. (I'm not Ferrari bashing here, I happen to love lots of them, but I guess you could say Panteras are the 'Anti-Ferrari'!)

Some of these mods we may have been considering ourselves, but once seen, we can actually see how it doesn't work. I've seem much worse mods done to a Pantera. I don't think the headlights look that terrible, just a bit dated by now.

Nobody here is wrong for denouncing (and alerting to our community) what seemed to be another oft repeated scam. It's also great that the owner spoke out and shed more light on the matter for us to digest. I wish you luck with your sale.

...and David B, you SHOULD be ashamed of yourself for taking your original GT5 and turning it into the rolling work of art that it is! For shame.

Michael

The Pantera has got to be the most personalized car ever made. A possible exception might be the '30s Fords but those are considered "hot rods".

My personal opinion is that the underlying cause is that the car is just too cheap to buy.

You can't buy anything like this in the $5,000 to $25,000 range.

Very few Lambo's or Feraris are personalized to this extent not necessarily because of a "purity to the breed" but because the cost to much to turn them into an advanced 12th grade shop class project.

There are still many if not a lot or really cheap Panteras for sale in the US. If you notice, this is largely a US phenomenon. That is where the bulk of these cars were sold.

It actually isn't entirely limited to Panteras. There are still quite a few Covettes that have not fallen into the "classic vet" category yet that have turned into Fiber Fab wanna be's.

As far as headlights go, if you consider the change in US headlight laws since the Pantera was new, you might have a different solution then the original pop-ups?

I have deleted the auction my friends! In the 2 years that I have been on this site and a member of PI, I have met some great people. I always have appreciated others idea's and opinions. I have now decided to keep the Pantera, as it is a great love of mine...and I will adjust my finances elsewhere. I actually was quite interested to see some of the responses of my piers, and I was certainly shocked to see some? Anyway the listing was ended, and I will continue the restoration (as I too am not a fan of the previous owners headlights even though he did a fairly good job).

Well it did get a bit ugly at times, but at least this story seems to have come to a happy ending.

Here's hoping for a saved marriage, saved financial health, and a saved Pantera.

Larry

pantera7262 ,
I started this thread and realize it was wrong from the beginning. Although not my taste in modifications it is not for me to criticize your car or anyone else’s.
I hope that you are able to work out your personal issues and again
my apologies to you.

Thanks everyone...I appreciate the kind words.