That little box does not interfere with my feet or getting in or out
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That's the EZ Electric Power Steering kit, made specifically for the Pantera. Other electric power steering systems may be more obtrusive.
@davidnunn posted:That's the EZ Electric Power Steering kit, made specifically for the Pantera. Other electric power steering systems may be more obtrusive.
That is correct… the angle of the motor is about 11 o’clock while others may get to 10 o’clock
when you Open the door and look in the car you cannot tell it’s even there… Do you really have to go on the floor to see..
It’s a fabulous system ☑️
it cost a few hundred more but so worth it I think…
@davidnunn…. Your upgrade may become production… It shall be known as the Nunn-tube (for people who didn’t follow this thread from the beginning - No, it’s not a medical device…)
I got this email back from EZ- power steering… I sent them the link to this thread:
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Roland,
I believe mine was the second of the three prototype systems. I sent them my column, so they could make sure what they produced was correct. In fact, it's my column that's on their web site, with their EPAS installed . You can tell because it has a custom ignition / turn signal cover. Immediately after my installation, I sent them photos and comments about how much easier "the tube" made the installation. At the time, the system was new and they were selling quite a few, so they weren't entirely receptive. It seems they're more receptive now!
I plan to attempt this upgrade at some point. Nice to know they are making improvements based on everyone's feedback.
@davidnunn posted:Roland,
I believe mine was the second of the three prototype systems. I sent them my column, so they could make sure what they produced was correct. In fact, it's my column that's on their web site, with their EPAS installed . You can tell because it has a custom ignition / turn signal cover. Immediately after my installation, I sent them photos and comments about how much easier "the tube" made the installation. At the time, the system was new and they were selling quite a few, so they weren't entirely receptive. It seems they're more receptive now!
What is the "tube modification"?
I bought this for €27 including postage, even if it doesn't fit I won't lose much:
@panteradoug posted:What is the "tube modification “
instead of mounting with two bolts left and right, one tube is welded in between the two ears and one long bold is inserted to attach the rear mount of the power steering assembly to the dash structure. I didn’t see any possible way to get into that area to get nuts onto the 2 bolts once the system is in place.
you can find what the details on page 2 of this thread we are originate.
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@rene4406 posted:I bought this for €27 including postage, even if it doesn't fit I won't lose much:
I would think you do need more then just the motor / gearbox… the brain/relays ??
Yes, I know you also need the ECU and the control module. The ECU can be found on Ebay for about $75
https://www.ebay.fr/itm/375891...D518089856d144e40b1a e3e593fbd6128%26pid%3D101465%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D375891166614%26itm%3D3 75891166614%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D3814323&_trksid=p3814323.c101465.m3507
And the control module with speed-related regulation at Servtronic for also $75
https://www.servtronic.com/col...g-controller-box-kit
That's a total of +/- $175 ........plus possibly a Capri steering column at $100 if you want to keep the original one intact and especially "a few" hours of work
@LeMans850i posted:
instead of mounting with two bolts left and right, one tube is welded in between the two ears and one long bold is inserted to attach the rear mount of the power steering assembly to the dash structure. I didn’t see any possible way to get into that area to get nuts onto the 2 bolts once the system is in place.you can find what the details on page 2 of this thread we are originate.
The Yaris assembly does not need this type of modification to mount. The logical thing that is happening here is that I used the Yaris and EZ used another source.
There are several possibilities.
I went through a few trial fits with others. I liked the Yaris fit the best and also like the dependability of Toyota components.
Hearing/reading, that Bruno was the designer of the EPS for Toyota and knowing he is THE source for the "control box" is just a plus.
Here is what I did with the Yaris. You can see how compact it is and how well it orients itself to the void in the Pantera internal dash.
Installed the motor is just about in that desireable range of 10 to 11 o'clock.
There isn't anything to my knowledge that fits better. The other motors are all larger and hang lower.
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@panteradoug posted:What is in the Pantera is what the Brits are calling Mark II's.
Don't worry about buying too many Capri steering columns. You probably will be able to sell the extras for more then you paid.
Are you sure it's the Mk II because according to Wikipedia the Type II appeared in February 1974? But that may not matter since it needs to be modified anyway.
@rene4406 posted:Are you sure it's the Mk II because according to Wikipedia the Type II appeared in February 1974? But that may not matter since it needs to be modified anyway.
No I am not. I am saying that the people in the UK were referring to the shaft as a Mark II. They are basing that on the UK Capri, not on the US Capri so yes there is some confusion there.
I did that research about three or four years ago and never did get a second shaft for a spare. The first one got cannibalized for my first attempt using a GM EPS.That one fit lengthwise but hung down too far and interfered with the pedals.
It was a necessary exercise to learn the critical dimensional limits that the motor must be limited too. I sold it to a local street rodder for more then I paid for it and it is in a '32 Ford street rod and he is happy with it so nothing ventured, nothing gained,
I did learn quite a bit from it. I don't remember how exactly I discovered the Yaris but it was a coincidental thing. Someone else had one and I saw the size of it and how compact it is.
When the Yaris got here from the UK, I just went ahead and modified my Pantera's column.
When I finally got a hold of the Yaras assembly and realize how well it fit dimensionally I just went ahead with my project.
My decision was that if I had to return to stock I would highly likely be able to find eventually the right Capri column.
I believe that is Larry here that suggested it is a Capri I column as well.
IF WE were being extremely careful, it logically would be prudent to obtain a Capri I and a Capri II and then compare those to the Pantera column. They still sell and are sought after for various reasons and you can always sell the one you don't use?
You need to realize that the Pantera column is a modified Capri column and the difference between a Capri I and a Capri II may not make any difference to a Pantera? It may just be in the mounting bracketry of how the directional signal, ignition switch and column support bracket to the dash is formed and mounted to the tube itself? It is not a major difference.
The difference could also be in the length of the columns?
If you are seriously considering building your own, get the Yaris column first.
Then look at my finished Pantera pictures and compare the before and after. Look at everything that got trashed from the Yaris. Very little of the Yaris bracketry remains and almost none of the drive shaft since it gets spliced into the Panteras steering wheel splined hub shaft and adapted to the Pantera's D shaft on the other side of the motor.
No rewiring is necessary. Just installing new quick connect wire ends to the existing harness and running the big power wires directly to the battery.
It is right to be as comprehensive as you can be at this point but you need the Yaris in your hands and the Pantera column on the bench to see how to homologate the two together.
It is fun. It is a little bit worrisome at first because of the unknowns. If I can do it, you can too. This is not NASA here.
Strange. I was just re-examining my own pictures of the steering shaft. When I total up the components on it, it does wind up as a bit expensive from tip to tip? Strange in that it does look innocent enough just sitting there on the bench too but quite a few engineered components involved.
My first reaction was that I was pissed to the finished column. The reason being that I had engineered an adjustable height mechanism from a Honda Civic in to it but the adjustable drop bracket was too flimsy to use with the EPS so I had to give it up.
@panteradoug I just want to ask about the dropping the steering column feature you abandoned because it was too flimsy… Under what circumstances do you think you want to lower the steering wheel in the Pantera…
does the Yaris EPS gives you a lot more room with the steering wheel… Does it mount higher?
@LeMans850i posted:@panteradoug I just want to ask about the dropping the steering column feature you abandoned because it was too flimsy… Under what circumstances do you think you want to lower the steering wheel in the Pantera…
does the Yaris EPS gives you a lot more room with the steering wheel… Does it mount higher?
The Civic mechanism is fine without the Eps but the EPS is torquing the column, i.e., twisting it. I didn't want to risk that on the Civic mounting bracket.
The height adjuster bracket is just stamped steel but the main issue is it needed to occupy the same space as the EPS bracket. It was just a height adjustment device for the steering wheel for better driver position.
The Yaris unit is smaller then most, maybe the smallest and gives more toe room. It is so tight down there that anything helps BUT all Panteras look like they don't have enough foot room to begin with. That is not true as delivered new but looks like it is too tight.
It isn't so much that the EPS hangs down but needs room up in the dash to fit the motor in. You have things like the defroster duct to deal with. I have the single pod dash and internally, under the dash is different then the dual pod.
You just will not find a more compact unit then used in the Yaris and it orients to the Pantera exceptionally well if not perfectly. I'm just sharing what I discovered and am not attempting to disparage anyone else's different solution. They are ALL excellent solutions.
I am capable of engineering or more correctly reverse engineering this stuff while others are not. So they need to go to predetermined existing solutions.
I am more adventurous by nature.
This is how the RHD Yaris column will come to you. Most of it gets trashed.
It was about $100 in the door including shipping from the UK and there were more available at the time so the need to do surgery on it was not a major concern.
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