Pantera # 5357 - Rocky's 1973 L model

YEAH! Small hands. Reminds me of the time I convinced the wife to reach through the quarter window space and put her thumb over #1 cylinder while I was preparing to turn the engine with the ratchet and explaining to her to let me know "when the air blows your thumb off". The last I saw her she was slamming the door from the garage to the utility room. Guess I should have been more (or less) descriptive. First and last time assist!

I did the top clamp from inside the cabin and the bottom clamp from underneath. Takes a while!

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Originally posted by Rocky:
...Hot water (to help stretch hose over the water pump inlet - it's bigger than the stainless tube)

...Manual Heater Cutoff for Track Events
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Is there any reason the stainless tube could not be made the same size as the pump inlet and a larger diamater hose used?

are you still using the remote heater control valve? if so, is it before the new shutoffs so that it recircs when "off" even when shutoffs are closed?

That's how my valves and shut-offs are configured.

I was told that the recirc system wouldn't pass muster at a track event even though it would keep 90% + of the hot coolant out of the cockpit (my estimate).

Rocky

On hose sizing - a person could do that, but I never even considered changing the stainless tube.... That looks like it would be a lot of (relatively precise, skilled) work. I never thought the hose install would be as hard as it was.

I knew the hose would go on..... But it was tough to do.

Making Progress.....

Bay Wiring Complete:



Flaming River Shifter U-Joints



My Dual Stock Rear Calipers (Old School)

OK, Haters can hate, but I can lock up my rears if I want - I prevent this with proper settings on my proportioning valve.

I know I can get a lighter weight rear brakes setup, but I've got bigger fish to fry in the near term, plus this gives me an E-brake without a lot of screwing around.



Note the Remote Heater Valve (See POCA Jan 2016 Newsletter for fabrication instructions)



Carb, Oil& Dizzy...

Almost ready to start!

All you are going to do is start a run on Pantera rear calipers with this one.

I intended to put front '67 Mustang calipers on additionally like you did but now this has me thinking.

Now exactly where am I going to get another rear set of calipers?

Dam you!

What struts are those, Aldens?

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Now exactly where am I going to get another rear set of calipers?

I'll bet all the vendors selling brake kits have a big pile of stock rear caliper sets. Guys that do them in the shop (Quella, Wilkensen, Byers) probably would love to get rid of them.

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What struts are those, Aldens?

Those are the Koni K30s and Hyperco springs. I got the set from Pantera Performance Center (Quella). It was completely set up - bolted right in.

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All you are going to do is start a run on Pantera rear calipers with this one.

What's old is new again. I believe this may have been one of the early brake upgrade mods popularized in the day. The availability of lightweight calipers made this trick go the way of the dinosaur.


Rocky

I noticed you have not hooked up the ignition resistor - just curious as what you have done?

JagCat -

So initially, when my ignition was set up, I reviewed George's Duraspark schematic, and saw that he uses the "official" Duraspark Coil (an oil-filled type), and an associated ballast resistor.

I set up my system initially with the ballast resistor but I decided to use the TFI (solid state) coil.

What I found was that at high RPMs, with the TFI coil, and ballast resistor, I would get an unexpected miss. It really disconcerting. I thought it was bad "lots of things" (wires, dist. cap, Duraspark module). What was funny was it would occur starting at high RPM, last for a while (until I stopped the car) and then start up and run fine, until the next time I got to high RPM.

I finally figured out that by removing the ballast resistor from of the circuit with the TFI coil, I solved the high RPM misfire problem. It seems to me it affects the charging current needed on the e-coils.

I just left the resistor in there, because I mounted it so nicely on that panel. The coil is bypassed by just shorting the two leads together, and tucking it into one of those harness sleeves.

Rocky

Rocky

"I'll bet all the vendors selling brake kits have a big pile of stock rear caliper sets. Guys that do them in the shop (Quella, Wilkensen, Byers) probably would love to get rid of them."

Every thing is good and fine until YOU want a set. Suddenly they become rare. SHEESH

Take my advice and post an ad here for them.

As it turns out, a couple of vendors REBUILD stock calipers for people that want their Pantera stock-looking (none are actually stock. of course). I know of one vendor that cannot keep stock rebuilt calipers on the shelf. So as you say Rocky- quadruple stock rear calipers are heavy but simple and it works. You can mod the design later.

I have backs that where rebuilt in 2000 and fronts too , back rotors. How much are they worth they have 60000. miles on them but look very good.

Rocky
Thank you for the quick reply for not using the ignition resistor. While I also used the Duraspark II module, George P's wiring diagram and TFI coil, I have not experienced the misfire; probably have not run the RPM's to the point of experiencing it. I'll watch for it.
Thank you

I had no problems just motoring around town with the TFI coil and ballast resistor. I Think the solid-state coil has numerous advantages, that's why I went with it.

George and I had a (respectful) discussion about the Duraspark II wiring diagram and my associated modifications. George, rightly so, stated that if you monkey around with the proven design then "you pays your money and you takes your chances". I have to agree with him there.

regards

Rocky

looking fantastic Rocky. Can't wait to hear the first fire report.

Rocky, what distributor are you using with this system?

Just a standard Duraspark (Ford Motorcraft) with the electronic pickup.

It's the same one that interfaces with the electronics box.

It was used on later model Ford cars and trucks (1975-1982 equipped with 351M, 400 or 460 V8).

Rocky

Check this thread, and search for Duraspark II

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Originally posted by Rocky:
Just a standard Duraspark (Ford Motorcraft) with the electronic pickup.

It's the same one that interfaces with the electronics box.

It was used on later model Ford cars and trucks (1975-1982 equipped with 351M, 400 or 460 V8).

Rocky

Check this thread, and search for Duraspark II

That is a small cap with what kind of spark plug terminals male or female?? Grey? That is Motorcraft brand?

Small cap, female terminals, grey cap...

Actually, the cap is a "Standard Motor Products" replacement cap.

Nothing fancy about it.


Rocky

It's Alive, Take II!

We fired it up tonight, it ran for a short while, but (like a moron), I had neglected to charge the battery!

Anyway - fired right up, and idled smoothly. An excellent sign.

More work tomorrow, I'll probably drive it!

WHOO HOO!

Rocky

PS> Look at this cool accoutrement - a 351C "Pre-Oiler"... Just plug it into the distributor cavity, and twist it with your drill motor... VIOLA! Oil Pressure prior to start-up!

Post #300 - I had to take it!

Here's a picture right out of the '80's

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Originally posted by Rocky:
It's Alive,...

There is THUNDER on the Street of the Panther again!

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Originally posted by Rocky:
Post #300 - I had to take it!

Here's a picture right out of the '80's

NAUGHTY, NAUGHTY! Got any more?

How about this one....

Engine Operation!

Here's some pictures....

Instrumentation - I melted the heck out of my timing light pickup.....



Innstruments... Don't believe the oil pressure value.. It is much higher (70 psi)



Wade's Model A with it's 429 Super Cobra Jet. I can't thank him enough for the support of "Build #2".



On the Road Again!

Mission Accomplished!

Still work to do, but..........

New engine installed, runs and drives!

ZF Rebuild Completed, no issues with:

2nd Gear Syncro Cone Replacement

Taller 5th Gear

Taurus Window Motor Conversion

Remote Heater Valve Mods and Manual Heater Shutoff

Reduced Bulkhead Cover

ATO Fuse Box Install

Battery Cut-Off Switch / New Battery

Inset rear bumper

Powder coated rear bumper and engine screens


It's great to have a Pantera again!

Rocky

ROCK - N - ROLL !!!!!

Got my decklid installed tonight. I couldn't have done it without the wonderful Mrs. Rocky. She loves this kind of stuff (NOT!).



You can see the new inset / powdercoated bumper...

Nice work Chuck !


Ron

Nice job. Now go out and enjoy it. Mine will be done soon so that we can do some of these events together.

Thanks, guys - I'm driving it today.

It's funny, but these things are NEVER "done-done". I can always find more things needed...

* Air Conditioning
* DeTomaso Cover over Rear Sway Bar
* New Wheels
* ??

I guess that's part of the fun, and why David B. had to sell his white car.... He finally finished it!

Hopefully it doesn't take you 25 years to finish yours!

Oh come on David - from what I read, you had two Panteras, and the second only took you 14 years to get it right (and IMHO - your white car was SUPER!)



A little more progress...

I completed the reduced bulkhead recover work!

Results:

"New" Bulkhead Upholstery

"Quick Access" to Engine Cover

Mrs. Rocky gets three extra inches (legroom!)

I'm thrilled with the results. Very nice fit.

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Originally posted by Rocky:...
I'm thrilled with the results. Very nice fit.
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I agree, VERY NICE!

Thanks, Joe -

Did you note in the bottom picture how the "hump" goes over the edges of the dash tray? That was my custom design.

I lose a little of the tray, but it closes off that area.

Rocky

Nice job.... It looks great.

Nice work! Just how the factory should have done it.

Ron

Thanks, guys for the compliments.

Here's a picture of #5357 at C&C (Tucson) on 03-12-2016, and another car that I would love to get my hands on - (it's for sale!)







Slideshow of the event, below....

PS> That's a real GT-350 (motor is being rebuilt, that's a 302 in there now), and a couple of other neat cars...

Slideshow - Cars & Coffee - Tucson (March, 2016)

GT40 Asking price?

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GT40 Asking price?

I'll tell you later!

I updated the slideshow a couple posts up with pictures of Jim Click's Vintage Racers from "Fords on 4th" - a Tucson area car show held 03-13-2016.

JT - The girl who is selling the Superformance GT-40 is looking for ~130K

I've got the spec sheets - if you are interested - I can scan them and get them to you.

Rocky