Question for my friends on the DTBB

Geezuz George! You're a moderator not a friggen boy scout. Heck this ain't nothin. I am a moderator in a political forum. Phht! What goes on here ain't nothing compared to taht. I mean some stuff gets down right heated there. I have been called every name in the book but I give as good as I get. You didn't get pissed off and ban them did ya?? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Just that some opinions are more valuable than others.
I can't imagine someone being so thin skinned that they would begrudge you your right to have and express a viewpoint. Tell you what, if you want to talk politics, come to my Delphi forum and you can spout any old crap you want to.

George, your too PC, your a moderator, weild your power man, if they dont like it BAN THEM!
Seriuosly, you always seem fair, and don't seem to have a agenda. This is a forum, your here to converse with other enthusiasts, doesn't mean that everybody is going to have your same opinion, or understand your views.
Keep on keeping on.
My 2cents
Mark 6808

Moderator needs to have fun. Moderator should control verbal violence, Unnecessary name calling. DAM IT ,,, I like to call people name’s. In the past you have stopped (deleted) these types of things,,, Great job...... Please be yourself or “pass” the control so you can have fun ....
F k them if they can’t handle a simple opinion. Opp’s,, you may have to edit that last part

George, anyone who has followed your posts should know that you are a fun, easy-going and VERY helpful guy. I've never seen you intentionally offend anyone here, and I don't think you should feel you need to "moderate" your posts in any way. Keep up the great posts.

George,

you're starting to sound like a chick and it's kinda freaking me out.

If you start talking about your "feelings," then it's all over.

John

quote:

Originally posted by JohnnyAlki:
George,

you're starting to sound like a chick and it's kinda freaking me out.

If you start talking about your "feelings," then it's all over.


George

Keep up the good work you had the right to post it after all this is the Great United States.In god we trust amen.

Bob
John

George
You are great!! Just keep doing what youre doing buddy!!

GEORGE
Don't don't change for no one!
After all we need a George around here.
Take note of a few facts...
Saint George was a legendary dragon slayer who was supposedly martyred in Palestine.
He is the patron saint of England, Portugal and Catalonia. This name has been borne by
six kings of England, two kings of Greece, and the first
president of the United States, George Washington.
So I dare someone else out there to think of someone better than George Pence to be
a Moderator around here....

Your humble DTBB member
Dennis

You're doing just fine and are one of the main reasons I log onto this board! Don't change a thing!

This is an international forum. You make a post and it is seen world wide. I am sure there are members that are against the war in Iraq, and members that do not think highly of our president. I think any one would have feeling for the soldier on the ground. Then there are the ones who would like to see all Americans die. george, you are dear to me, and do a fine job. But seeing how this is international, you may just want to leave politics and militay for another forum. I have feeling just like you. But I can't speak for the rest of the world.

Whatever you decide, just keep posting all those fine photographs...you know the ones we like . Thanks.

People of like interest like talking about things other then the interest. I have never seen a forum that didn't touch on controversial subjects from time to time. If all we talked about were cars we wouldn't be here. I think the fact that these "controversial subjects" didn't blow up is a testament to the people here. People oviously had oposing views but didn't want to step on toes.

My number one problem with forums is when subjects get deleted. I have seen a few forums where discussing anything but cars is prohibited and any thing else deleted. Their argument is it's a "private forum" not subject to free speech. While that is true there suddenly became no reason for me or many interesting and intelectual people to stay. The forum lost validity, remained "private" is without substance.

I understand when 2 people lock horns it gets ugly and has to be stopped.

My solution is to give it a little time, see where it goes. Often with civil adults it works itself out, everone learns something (even if they don't agree) and people move on. When it doesn't happen, and it begins to become ugly, simply say:

Ok, getting ugly topic locked!

But do not delete it. Deleting it rubs everyone the wrong way and is the quickest way to loose truely the best people.

People are not here "just for the cars". If that were true, many of us would not be here at all.

Gary

quote:

Originally posted by JohnnyAlki:
George,

you're starting to sound like a chick and it's kinda freaking me out.

If you start talking about your "feelings," then it's all over.

John

John, I think I have my mothers hips!

lol.............................

quote:

Originally posted by Mark:
That's an easy one.
1. Keep the topics on subject and subjects under the right topic.
2. Don't let members get to heated with each other.
3. Keep the BB PG-13 to soft R rating.

If you ever don't want to do the dirty work just let me know. Dave or I will help you out, just like you help us! Keep up the good work..!

Mark, Thanks. I was more interested in what the guys & gals expect. I'm not tiring of being a moderator, I have no problem doing what is necessary to keep the peace around here, or keeping DeTom on topic!

Franz's comment made me wonder if there might be an unwritten standard I'm not tuned into. I don't want a great deTomaso enthusiast like Franz to be unhappy with the DTBB.

I've appreciated the feedback from everyone.

George

quote:

Originally posted by comp2:
... Often with civil adults it works itself out, everone learns something (even if they don't agree) and people move on. When it doesn't happen, and it begins to become ugly, simply say:Ok, getting ugly topic locked! But do not delete it. Deleting it rubs everyone the wrong way and is the quickest way to loose truely the best people....Gary

thanks for the comments & support Gary. There is a behind the scenes aspect to the bulletin board that influences our decisions. If a disparaging remark is made about somebody, that person may not appreciate it remaining in public view, and may contact the owner or moderators privately and request that the remarks be deleted. Its a judgement call on the behalf of Dave, Mark or whoever, what happens with the locked post, we hope to have your support in doing what we think is best. If a post goes off topic immediately, there is little sense in keeping it around. If there is significant content before the trouble brews, it may be best to edit out the bad stuff & keep the rest.

No matter what is done, there is always somebody unhappy, and private remarks, and threats, are always made. Its impossible to make everybody happy, and its impossible for the owner & moderators to have perfect judgement, we are, after all, imperfect human beings. The intention is never censorship. That never enters the mind. It's all about keeping the peace.

your friend on the DTBB

Thanks to everyone for the kind words and support.

your friend on the DTBB

quote:

Originally posted by DOES 200:
Whatever you decide, just keep posting all those fine photographs...you know the ones we like . Thanks.

I heard ya Jan.

I never understood the problem with off topic discussions anyway (cars or otherwise). If people are talking about what they wish to talk about the conversation is generally intersting for everyone. If some one didn't get their question answered, often they just bring it up again.

But that's just me.

Gary

I'm lurking....

"why" moderators do what they do fits into the "spirit" of my topic.

George

I think that you should post your opinions. It will give us all more opportunity to abuse you.

Moderator or not, post your opinions so long as they dont overtly insult anyone. Some other groups I belong to are very strict with on topic posts only but thats why Alejandros pub exists right?
I could talk about unions all day long but I choose not to, my right. As the son of a veteran Im grateful for the opportunity to see the vid...my right to watch or not...no harm no foul

I supose.

Gary

quote:

Originally posted by Mark:

quote:

Originally posted by comp2:
I never understood the problem with off topic discussions anyway (cars or otherwise). If people are talking about what they wish to talk about the conversation is generally intersting for everyone. If some one didn't get their question answered, often they just bring it up again.

But that's just me.

Gary

I should start a new topic on this but…

Gary as you said "they often they just bring it up again." Not always true and sometime it even stop people from posting what the first person was looking for. I have received e-mails in the past from a member who started a topic and never got an answer. Plus if new members are looking for something say “Stalling problem” click on a topic about it and read about how some guy install a new bathroom sink… You see the point. When possible just start a new topic it helps everyone in the long run.

George look the other way…

OH MAN !!! I went out to work on the PANTERA and all HELL broke lose .....

George I know single guys like us in the 2000's have to have feelings and all that mushy stuff, but !! The way I see it.

Listen, I was young during Vietnam and there were protests during that WAR, I'm so proud to live now, when that is NOT taking place, we learned from that. We respect and support the troops 100% even if we have different opinions.

YES we all have and rightfully so our opinion NOW during this WAR and you expressed it with the HIGHEST level of CLASS I have seen in some time by posting that short movie.
THIS IS Alejandro's Niehborhood Pub, where in the BAR now and if they got some things to say after we just had a couple brews lets bust em up !!! LOL just kidding.

Keep up the good work.

Ron

GEORGE,

WHATS THIS ???????????????

In another topic, Gary & Ron have been discussing unions & emerging markets, gosh! I'm a social philosopher, do you know how hard it has been for me to "NOT" throw in my 2 cents?! I've bitten my cyber lip so hard it is bleeding virtual blood.

Ok SPIT IT OUT WE WANT TO HEAR YOUR 2 CENTS dont we GARY ????

DIn another topic, Gary & Ron have been discussing unions & emerging markets, gosh! I'm a social philosopher, do you know how hard it has been for me to "NOT" throw in my 2 cents?! I've bitten my cyber lip so hard it is bleeding virtual blood.

COMMOM START A NEW TOPIC ?? IN THE BAR ?? I'm READY ! LOL LOL LOL

Ron

LOL AC, I have been busting my nuckles on the MG today. I am afraid I am Brain fried! Give me a day or two and I'll stir up some trouble somewhere. And Ac, I am a perfect Gentlman. I am more then willing to discus anything on the side as long as it remains civil and 2 people can agree to dissagree in the end. I think that's the bigest thing!

Gary

I'm only joking around ... Union Non Union import export .. I'm a perfect gentlemen also... its all in fun and we all have our views and nothing else but civil. We can let that topic die....my only point is that no body has to bite there lip ..

Ron

I agree Ron, infact I think one weakness is the english language. Often two people are argueing (so to speak) when they are in fact saying something very similar but not viewing it the same.

G

You do a great job on this B.B. keep up the good work.

Thanks

Thanks Mark.

quote:

Originally posted by accobra:
Listen, I was young during Vietnam and there were protests during that WAR, I'm so proud to live now, when that is NOT taking place, we learned from that. We respect and support the troops 100% even if we have different opinions.
Ron

Almost 60,000 American soldiers died in the Vietnam conflict before America withdrew, not to mention the estimated 1.5 million Vietnamese. I am as patriotic as the next guy, but please don't discount the effect the grass roots protests had in speeding up the decision to withdraw from a war America was not winning and had little prospect of turning around.

Speeding up the decision saved a lot of soldiers' lives that would have been uselessly lost otherwise. What better way to "support the troops."

Jeff (not looking for a fight)
6559

Jeff,

I agree 100% .. I think that shows in different way now days .. BUSH's approval rating is low.. at least me, I vote in every election and I'm not a political person at all.

But when the Troops came home from Vietnam .. this PROTESTIVE METHOD and remember this is only my observance as a little kid and thru the years of obseving .. they were treaded less then respectable and supportive.

Your right though .. now the time has come to bring them home.

R

George,
I say, lets see more tributes! I thought it was a nice way to show our servicemen and women that Pantera owners appreciate their sacrifices.

Maybe some of them will want to buy a Pantera when they return from their year long deployment!

God Bless them all
and may they come home safe.

Josh

Yes there is certainly dissagreements among friends here. I see the protest in VN weakend the war, the effort and forced us to loose and give up. I think the world is not a rosy place and to give up and pull the solders is like having blinders on. I think Bush has done what he said he would do and is staying the course even though it's not an easy job to say the least. I suport Bush and the troops 100%. It's not an easy situation.

Many have said that this war should have been in Afganistan but infact we are fighting the same groups weather it be in Iraq or Afgan but that the war was chosen in Iraq because of terrain. These people know no borders so why not fight in a flat non-jungle terrain.

I know many dissagree with me (probably more then do agree). I won't mention anything more of this other then to say that it's ok to dissagree and gentleman will. Others will argue and fight.

Gary

Even during the Monica-blue dress-cigar days of Clinton, his approval ratings stayed in the 60%-70% range.

Bush's is now down in the 30% range, and a recent poll of the SOLDIERS in the sandbox showed they thought we should get out.

Bush lied at the beginning, he lied since, and he'll keep lying. And his lies, unlike Clinton's, are costing American lives.

IMPEACH THE BASTARD!

Iraq civil war is likely just around the corner and we have already been in the middle of another country's civil war with over 50,000 coffins sent home to us as a result.

Current dead in the war on terror, including Afgahnistan, is 2,463.

See - http://cryptome.org/mil-dead-iqw.htm

I support our troops 110%. They do their job as they are told to do. Bring them home NOW and leave Iraq to the civil war and the Halliburton gang.

Larry "I don't have to like Bush to love my country"

YMMV

This is a difficult subject to transverse and forgive me if I get it all out of sequence.
First, this is an international forum. What was posted was a political statement and nationalistic. I personally do not have problems with that because I am American and it was a pro American post.
Even though I support our troops I wouldn't schedule a Fourth of July parade, let's just say, outside of the US. That would be inappropiate.
In case it wasn't noticed, Iraq is a US issue, not the world's.
I personally do not like to hear negative criticism of the US, even when it is right. I think that it is presumptuous to think that my non-American PI Forum friends want to hear about my American nationalist position and political beliefs.
In this case and under those conditions I think that it is inappropriate.
It isn't anything that I personally would loose sleep over for having done, nor loose respect for the person that did it.
It is not an unfortunate situation and requires no appology.
There is nothing wrong with it to me, it is just out of place on the PI Forum.
Had I placed it my friends would understand (if I had any). Hell, I've already insulted half the world already here on the Forum. Nobody's lynched me yet...hey, hey, what's that I smell? Why do I smell fire?

quote:

Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
...I personally do not like to hear negative criticism of the US, even when it is right...

Doug my friend, it is human nature to lay axe to the tallest trees. America IS a great nation. The critics prove it.

People flock to the US from all corners of the globe to find a better life, and we accept them. They flock here because the world views the US as a place of safe harbor, a place of hope and freedom. Few countries tolerate the diversity we do. Those immigrants DO find a better life. When there is crisis in the world, volunteers and money from the US are there first to lend aid. Hell, after we defeat a country in battle, we return and rebuild it! How often has that happened in the history of civilization?

Is the US a perfect nation? NO! Let the citizens of the perfect nation be the first to criticise the US.

Frankly, I think my government was 30 years too late in defending its citizens from terrorism. Are we as a nation handling our "war" on terrorism properly? Probably not, but I don't have a better plan myself, nor do I have a constructive criticism. But I do think that "doing nothing" has only encouraged terrorism, and made it bolder.

It stands to reason that the religious fundamentalists in that region of the world do not want a free nation in their midst, where women are treated as equals, where the populace is educated, one that is freindly towards the west, one that practices free election, one in which religion is practiced privately rather than dominating daily life. I'm sure that frightens them tremendously. My understanding is that the folks lobbing bullets & missles at our soldiers aren't citizens of Iraq, but mercenaries from surrounding nations. So if the US pulls out now, would it be accurate to call it a civil war, or an invasion? And if the citizens of Iraq who want a new democratic society are defeated, and a foreign religious fundamentalist power takes control, Iraq will become a support nation to the terrorists, and the soldiers who have lost their lives over there will have died in vain.

I don't have the answers, these are just my observations. What is hard for our country to do is to separate Bush from the debate. Its not Bush's war, it's our government's war. What would be the best course of action for our government? Bush's term in office will be over soon enough.

your socially philosophical friend on the DTBB

quote:

Originally posted by accobra:
But when the Troops came home from Vietnam .. they were treated less then respectable and supportive.R

Agree.

quote:

Your right though .. now the time has come to bring them home.R

I believe we need to finish what has been started, regardless of how or why it was started. The issue now is how to do this. IMHO, our leaders are not waging the war in a way that is winnable as it is currently being fought. Just my 2 cents.

Jeff
6559

All I said was this is not the place to debate US policy. This is an international Pantera forum.
Political dissidence during the Viet Nam era was specifically noted by the North Vietnamese as encouragement to their cause.
A peace visit to North Viet Nam by Jane Fonda caused pain and suffering to American prisoners of war.
Currently a state of war exists. A US policy debate here serves no pupose to this forum and in fact may aid and abet the enemy.
We are Americans and support the efforts of our troops.
End it here, close this thread.

Nobody here is making personal attacks towards another member. The content is certainly off topic & non-deTomaso, but that has not been criteria for locking up a topic, especially one started in the Pub. Generally we lock up topics to keep the peace, when a written fight breaks out.